The Democratic Party's Slide Into Irrelevance
The Democratic Party's Slide Into Irrelevance
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The Democratic Party's Slide Into Irrelevance

Attaching a poll ... Dems unfavorability rating increased from 45% to 57% during the Biden Administration.

03 February 2025 at 11:49 PM
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by craig1120 m

There are several, but the one the Dems have undermined the most is the Christian flavored Liberalism based in equality of opportunity, merit, and some inevitable bias.

Well, you're right about this part. Anything Christianity is involved in is going to be biased.


by craig1120 m

For instance, going beyond accepting people for their gender / racial / sexual identities into elevation, celebration, and even worship at times.

This is the most nazi fascist bigoted garbage I've read so far today.

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... is what the modern lefty keyboard warrior would say, as they struggle to understand why people abandon their party in droves.

Dems could be out there with Stephanie Kelton pushing MMT with one twentieth of the fervor that they use to accuse people of bigotry and probably grow a massive voter army. But instead, it's all about the bastardized DEI. We're a full decade into Dems leaning exclusively on the Alphabet Mafia as the face of the party and calling Trump and all republicans every name in the book, but they've left the vast majority of their base behind. Trump might have to win FOUR presidential elections before it sinks in that maybe it's time to change the playbook.

There's been a short pause in pushing DEI to fight against law and order, which is both bizarre and against the will of most citizens that they should be courting for votes. Washington DC is filled with protesters pushing back against federal agents cleaning up the streets. Half of DC is black. Nowhere even remotely close to half of the protestors are black. Why? Because the people who actually live with this rampant crime and misery every day are sick and tired of it and want it to stop as well. These rich white liberals taking some PTO to protest at 10am on a Thursday will go back to their townhomes in Whitesville, MD at the end of the week, well outside the reach of the criminals they're working so hard to protect.

As people on this forum have said countless times, we have a pedophile rapist grifting racist lying deplorable felon in the Oval right now, but instead of looking in the mirror for the answer to how this came to be, they blame everyone else.

How useless do you have to be to have not been able to beat Donald mother****ing Trump in the arena of ideas?

You guys might luck out, though. Gaming stuff is a chunk of my YouTube algorithm and I see that we've functionally banned the sale of games with nudity recently. This was allegedly one of the many steps on the path toward outright banning all porn in Project 2025. If you run on a platform of unfettered access to anime waifus with big titties, you'll have an extremely powerful lobbying group. Hentai enjoyers are deeply passionate about their hobbies and have a LOT of free time on their hands to pump you up on the internet and coordinate action campaigns. If you get in with the right niche, you might even get some script kiddies to hack into the GOP mainframe and release all their Grindr usernames and DMs to trigger a bunch of shameful resignations. I know if MAGA came after my Factorio habit, I'd never forgive them no matter how many illegals they promised to round up. #votebluenomatterwho


The takeover of DC has absolutely NOTHING to do with law and order. Not one thing.


by Inso0 m

How useless do you have to be to have not been able to beat Donald mother****ing Trump in the arena of ideas?

We have a country full of people that are fully onboard with his ideas. That's who we are now.


One of these days Inso will wake up and think "wow, we really have become a dictatorship with a police state." Except he'll still be ranting about the cracker barrel logo, so maybe not.


by biggerboat m

We have a country full of people that are fully onboard with his ideas. That's who we are now.

"How did you let Donald Trump do this to us?" - Guy who largely supports Donald Trumps policies and rhetoric

Its just ****ing spousal abuse at this point. These guys don't give a **** about logic or reality, just want to punch down at you like a drunken miner in the great depression.

"YOU ARE MAKING US DO THIS TO YOU WITH YOUR WOKE ALPHABET MAFIA LUNACY"


by coordi m

"How did you let Donald Trump do this to us?" - Guy who largely supports Donald Trumps policies and rhetoric

Its just ****ing spousal abuse at this point. These guys don't give a **** about logic or reality, just want to punch down at you like a drunken miner in the great depression.

"YOU ARE MAKING US DO THIS TO YOU WITH YOUR WOKE ALPHABET MAFIA LUNACY"

There are some clear cut polls saying that the BBB tax cuts for very rich people aren't loved by the american people. Some of the welfare cuts aren't as well.

Why aren't the democrats just campaigning on bread and butter "let's raise taxes for people who make more than 300k/year" , "let's increase welfare for the poors", "here is our immigration reform bill to get much needed workers legally in the country while keeping bad apples out", and so on?

You guys are playing into Inso hands tbh. At last, Newsom had some spirit and he tries to campaign in a different way than the alphabet mafia. He is claiming republican states harbor more criminals than democrat states for example. He trolls trump communication style. Still not much substance on policy proposals but maybe there will come a time for that as well.

If even Newsom and Buttigieg realized that lgbtq+ stuff is electoral cancer, why don't you?


by biggerboat m

The takeover of DC has absolutely NOTHING to do with law and order. Not one thing.

Preparation to control the capital amid future invocation of martial law.


by Luciom m

There are some clear cut polls saying that the BBB tax cuts for very rich people aren't loved by the american people. Some of the welfare cuts aren't as well.Why aren't the democrats just campaigning on bread and butter "let's raise taxes for people who make more than 300k/year" , "let's increase welfare for the poors", "here is our immigration reform bill to get much needed wo

Because taxing the rich isn't a popular policy either. Poor ******ed Republicans dream of being rich one day and pretend that taxing the rich will destroy their future wealth

If even Newsom and Buttigieg realized that lgbtq+ stuff is electoral cancer, why don't you?

I'm so sick of you guys misrepresenting this. Trump effectively ran anti trans. Kamala didn't run pro trans. You guys hate trans people so much that you would gladly accept an army boot on your neck as long as the president spews anti trans hateful rhetoric. You guys legitimately make me sick with this nonsense.


by coordi m

Because taxing the rich isn't a popular policy either. Poor ******ed Republicans dream of being rich one day and pretend that taxing the rich will destroy their future wealth

I hope we agree pew polls are like the golden standard polls about politically-adjacent issues in the USA


more REPUBLICANS (or REP leaning) want taxes to be raised over 400k of income than lowered lol.

I think they polled 400k because that was the threshold Biden run with, a pledge not to touch taxes for people making less than 400k. But i think a 300k threshold would poll almost identically.


by coordi m

I'm so sick of you guys misrepresenting this. Trump effectively ran anti trans. Kamala didn't run pro trans. You guys hate trans people so much that you would gladly accept an army boot on your neck as long as the president spews anti trans hateful rhetoric. You guys legitimately make me sick with this nonsense.

I am telling you , you need to run "anti-trans" explicitly (if by that you mean removing biological men from women sport) , EVEN BUTTIGIEG GETS IT. It polls super-majoritarily.

I am not talking about 2024 and Harris. I am talking today, you have to explicitly endorse centrist (ie anti radical activist takes) positions on T issues if you want to win elections

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Former Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg reiterated his previous comments about transgender women athletes this week, saying that in order to “bring people together” on the issue, Democrats “need to take everyone seriously.”

During an interview on Substack Live with attorney and political strategist Aaron Parnas, Buttigieg briefly followed up on comments he made to NPR last week saying that trans women in women’s sports raise “serious fairness issues” that should be handled by sports leagues and local communities rather than politicians. “[People are] wondering, ‘Wait a minute. I got a daughter in a sports league. Is she going to be competing with boys right now?’” Buttigieg told NPR in the course of his remarks. “[J]ust taking everybody seriously.”

Buttigieg’s statement to Parnas followed largely the same template. The perennial presidential hopeful started off by expressing compassion for trans people and their families who he said are “being used as a political football,” and criticized those on the right who he said used trans athletes to “divide [and] hurt.”

(Ofc the linked article disagrees with Buttigieg)


If you ask someone like coordi if they want their fellow countrymen to be bigots, they’ll say no.

Then, at the same time, they’ll actively look for ways to frame their country as full of bigots.

They will actively create the reality they say they’re against, live in that reality, and defend it willfully.

How people act is more indicative of their preferences than what they say. Which means people like coordi actually do want their country to be full of bigots at some level.


by craig1120 m

If you ask someone like coordi if they want their fellow countrymen to be bigots, they’ll say no.Then, at the same time, they’ll actively look for ways to frame their country as full of bigots. They will actively create the reality they say they’re against, live in that reality, and defend it willfully.How people act is more indicative of their preferences than what they say. W

This is possibly the dumbest post ever made on this forum. Congratulations


by Luciom m

I hope we agree pew polls are like the golden standard polls about politically-adjacent issues in the USA more REPUBLICANS (or REP leaning) want taxes to be raised over 400k of income than lowered lol.I think they polled 400k because that was the threshold Biden run with, a pledge not to touch taxes for people making less than 400k. But i think a 300k threshold would poll alm

Okay, so they answer like this then vote against it every single time

Solid evidence presented that right wing voters are destructively ******ed btw


The dirty secret of the Democratic establishment is that they preferred Trump in the White House to Sanders.

Let's look at the field in the 2020 election ...... orchestrated to stop Bernie.

1) DNC Chair selection.

Let's go way back in the election cycle .... when the DNC names a new chair. Progressive Keith Ellison is in good position to be named chair and Obama intercedes on behalf of establishment lackey with the personality of a turtle ... Tom Perez.

2) 3 candidates are all Obama administration creations.

Liz Warren .... came from political nowhere to start the CFPB and designed to steal progressive and female votes from Bernie.

Andrew Yang .... came from political nowhere to be some kind of economic ambassador in the Obama Administration and designed to steal votes from Bernie based upon UBI policy and Asian heritage.

Pete Buttigieg .... the mayor of a small city in Indiana ??? Are you kidding me ?? Obama anointed him as an up and comer. Designed to take young and gay voters from Bernie.

3) NYT reports on Stop Bernie meetings involving Buttigieg, Pelosi and other establishment figures

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/16/us/po...

4) Obama's lackey Perez hires a group of former Clinton operatives to count the vote in the Iowa caucuses.

The name of the sinister group is appropriately named Shadow, Inc.

5) Pelosi schedules a bogus impeachment hearing

designed to keep Bernie from campaigning in the weeks leading up to the vote in the Iowa caucuses. Bernie is pretty much the only candidate who can orchestrate a big noisy crowd so the establishment takes away his biggest campaign weapon.

6) Obama chirps in from the sidelines against Bernie's economic philosophy

7) Liz Warren participates in a scam to try and paint Bernie as a sexist

She refuses to shake his hand after a nationally televised debate.

8) The vote counting in Iowa on election night is a fiasco.

Bernie wins the popular vote, but the country goes to sleep on election night and wakes up the following morning believing Buttigieg won because the scum that Obama's lackey Perez hired reported selectively from the regions that Buttigieg did well. Eventually it became known that Bernie won the popular vote in Iowa by about 15%, but Bernie was denied the momentum from an Iowa.

Establishment favorite Harris didn't even make it to Iowa and Biden performed miserably.

9) Bernie win NH and Nevada

10) Obama and Clyburn get behind Biden in advance of South Carolina primary

This leads to a Biden rout. A state which the Dems have no chance of winning in the general election effectively decides the winner of the primary.

11) Warren decides to remain in the field for Super Tuesday. Buttigieg drops out and endorses Biden.

Warren had no chance of winning. The purpose of her remaining is to strip votes from Sanders. She accepts a massive donation of over $10M from a single individual, an Obama bundler by the name of Karla Jurvetson. She does this after complaining the entire campaign about big money donors.

12) The Dems don't care about winning.

It's pretty simple and obvious that if the Democrats truly cared about winning the general election, they would let the swing states (WI, MI, PA, AZ, NC, VA, etc) have the early and pivotal slots in the primary.

The general election comes down to a handful of states. It's pretty obvious that a candidate who has the best chance at carrying those states is best suited to win a general election. The only plausible explanation for not going that route is that they don't care if they win.


by coordi m

Okay, so they answer like this then vote against it every single time

Solid evidence presented that right wing voters are destructively ******ed btw

or, stay with me, they aren't single issue voters. So say you take MODERATE, CENTRIST takes they can find tolerable/acceptable on immigration, lgbtq, judges, crime.

Imagine something "absurd" for you, i know, like a democratic leader saying:

All Americans ... are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers

Now imagine that same person is fiscally reasonable , wants to fix the deficit, wants to put as many criminals in prison as possible, doesn't talk much about lgbtq if at all, and wants to nominate centrist judges, not radical left activists, or judges that are women or black just because they are women or black (or both).

Now that person would win in a landslide against Trump or many other republican candidates. Like 40 + states easily. And he could raise taxes on the rich as much as necessary to fix the deficit (presuming congressional dem candidates are similar candidates ofc, and so they get an easy trifecta).

Oh the anti-illegal remarks are from Clinton , 1995 state of the union speech. And today the problem is objectively a lot worse than in 1995. Like *a lot worse*.


nut nut you might have a lot of proper points if it wasn't for the fact that Sanders isn't a democrat and that alone should be more than enough not to have him as the democrat candidate lol.

Your point 12) though should be made clear, it was *primary voters* who decided that, not "democrats".


by craig1120 m

If you ask someone like coordi if they want their fellow countrymen to be bigots, they’ll say no.Then, at the same time, they’ll actively look for ways to frame their country as full of bigots. They will actively create the reality they say they’re against, live in that reality, and defend it willfully.How people act is more indicative of their preferences than what they say. W

Wtf are you talking about?


The need for meaning is strong.

If it’s not made conscious, the unconscious will find a way even if it has to distort reality in unsavory ways.


I don’t want the Dems to continue their decline. I don’t see it as good for the country.

People actually do deeply care about equality of opportunity and meritocracy. It’s not some kind of Trojan horse used to smuggle in bigotry or racism.

To see half your countrymen as primarily motivated by bigotry, as people like coordi do, is not the reality and is the reason why the exodus is happening.


by craig1120 m

I don’t want the Dems to continue their decline. I don’t see it as good for the country.People actually do deeply care about equality of opportunity and meritocracy. It’s not some kind of Trojan horse used to smuggle in bigotry or racism.To see half your countrymen as primarily motivated by bigotry, as people like coordi do, is not the reality and is the reaso

Where you are thoroughly misguided is in thinking that my criticisms are exclusively for right wingers

The current presidential administration is actively testing a white nationalist gambit and you don't think that MORE than half the country is motivated by bigotry?

The literal current reality is completely at odds with your declaration. The country as a whole has jumped the shark


by coordi m

Where you are thoroughly misguided is in thinking that my criticisms are exclusively for right wingersThe current presidential administration is actively testing a white nationalist gambit and you don't think that MORE than half the country is motivated by bigotry?The literal current reality is completely at odds with your declaration. The country as a whole has jumped the sha

People are primarily motivated by quality of life.

If you believe that most people are, at root, more motivated by bigotry than quality of life, then you are the problem.


by coordi m

Where you are thoroughly misguided is in thinking that my criticisms are exclusively for right wingersThe current presidential administration is actively testing a white nationalist gambit and you don't think that MORE than half the country is motivated by bigotry?The literal current reality is completely at odds with your declaration. The country as a whole has jumped the sha

the current administration is currently testing a nativist gambit.

it's absurd for you to say "white supremacy". what has trump done that attempted to demolish black rights?

and nativism isn't bigotry. almost every place on earth is pro citizens above foreigners it's actually psychopathic to treat aliens like they were the same as people whose ancestors lived with your ancestors


by craig1120 m

People are primarily motivated by quality of life.

If you believe that most people are, at root, more motivated by bigotry than quality of life, then you are the problem.

Yes, and people were told that immigrants and trans people were stealing their quality of life and they believed it

This is a tale as old as time and I'm really not sure what you are trying to do here other than maybe make my point for me over and over


by coordi m

Yes, and people were told that immigrants and trans people were stealing their quality of life and they believed it

This is a tale as old as time and I'm really not sure what you are trying to do here other than maybe make my point for me over and over

Your “yes” is agreement that people are primarily motivated by quality of life rather than bigotry?

I want us to be clear on this point.

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