Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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it doesnt mean death. again, you are wildly misinformed by propaganda. its really easy to just read and listen to Palestinians.
Does my Palestinian barber count? Or will that be classified as ''just an anecdote''?
He's one of a tiny amount of Palestinians that came to Canada as refugees but he's not very fond of Hamas. Next time I'm due a haircut I'll tell him that Victor told me Palestinians love Hamas. I'll let you know how he reacts.
"In 1980, there were fewer than a hundred mosques in Europe. Today, there are more than 20,000 mosques."
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oh look another video of a thing that Dun claims never happens
Zionist censorship will probably limit linking so here ya go
https://x.com/ytirawi/status/19607606082...
You're still under the impression you're talking to Victor or something. I've said before that if I could press a button to get rid of Hamas I would. I'm of the opinion that the Palestinian people are oppressed by Hamas. Hamas aren't the good guys. They're the worst party in a ''war'' between 2 evil sides. Yes, Israel is the other side.
Except for psychopaths like victor, everyone gives their assurance they oppose Hamas, and Hamas has to go, yet their solution is just to implicitly support Hamas indefinitely.
As much as the Trollys, Victors and Knights of the world complain about the Jews controlling everything: it would be nice if there was some honestly the other way too.
Lammy, macron and Rubio should just come out and say: Look, we donÂ’t like Hamas. But we have more important relationships with other powers that do like and support them, such as turkey and Qatar. So we all are just going to have to live with them staying in charge of Gaza, and make the best of it. And we will continue to support Israel too.
I think this level of honesty would be a good start to addressing the Kabuki theatre going on in an honest fashion.
As much as the Trollys, Victors and Knights of the world complain about the Jews controlling everything
Just more flagrant lies.
Except for psychopaths like victor, everyone gives their assurance they oppose Hamas, and Hamas has to go, yet their solution is just to implicitly support Hamas indefinitely. As much as the Trollys, Victors and Knights of the world complain about the Jews controlling everything: it would be nice if there was some honestly the other way too. Lammy, macron and Rubio should jus
The bolded statement is just lol and a fantasy you wish to be true so you can continue saying ''the world'' widely supports Hamas which is nonsense.
As for the rest, yeah, I agree. I wish politicians had bigger balls. There are no real leaders left in this world. When US presidents start accepting Qatari bribes, you know the world is lost.
"In 1980, there were fewer than a hundred mosques in Europe. Today, there are more than 20,000 mosques."etc
My Arabic isn't what it used to be but what's the issue here? Don't agree with much Israeli but certainly agree with there being too many mosques/Muslims in Europe assuming that's where this tweet was going.
The world speaks and pro-Netanyahu extremists simply blow it off and continue to lie about the situation.
We have seen big changes in views on Israel in the west since the genocide in Gaza started. … the response by the pro IDF people has always been the same, which is to complain about how people don’t care about other events in the world, which is a lie. Or to accuse others of antisemitism which is false as many Jews around the world including in Israel oppose what the IDF is doing , to ignore Israelis who question how October 7 could’ve occurred in the most monitored area in the world….
The more bizarre pro Netanyahu people say the most intolerant things about Muslims while fabricating the View that the critics of Netanyahu are anti-Jewish. Again compare this to pro Israel people who often say you know that the Quran speaks very positively of Jews and says Israel should be a Jewish state. That’s in a similar mindset to pro Palestinian people who often point to Jews worldwide who are leading protests against what the IDF is doing.
As always, let people say whatever they want about this topic. People can speak freely and everyone can see in this topic There are people on both sides who are tolerant of other religions… and people on both sides who openly engage in bigotry.
everyone gives their assurance they oppose Hamas, and Hamas has to go, yet their solution is just to implicitly support Hamas indefinitely.
it exposes a typical contradiction with the world order. they tell us that genocide and apartheid and oppression is bad. but somehow the only force actually fighting against those elements is also bad.
its why I respect Lucium and even yourself more the liberals. at least you guys are honest and consistent in supporting genocide and enslavement of the untermensch.
no, Hamas agreed to step down and relinquish governing the Gaza strip. you can argue that its all a ruse by the shady antisemites but the facts are that even a few days ago Hamas agreed to allow an independent non-political government to take over.
Between february and august, they may have changed their tune.
Regardless, what this article shows is they had an agreement on the table which they refused, and supposedly that’s Israel’s fault.
I’m sure Israel has not been a very accommodating negotiating partner if that’s supposed to be the point.
Hamas could propose that control over the Gaza Strip be handed to the international community, but they won’t. And without Israel there the civilian government could easily be overrun by Hamas, and why wouldn’t they be? Hamas already showed an openness to surprise attacks and backstabbing.
Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair has joined a White House meeting with US President Donald Trump to discuss plans for post-war Gaza, the BBC has confirmed.
holy ****
The world speaks and pro-Netanyahu extremists simply blow it off and continue to lie about the situation. We have seen big changes in views on Israel in the west since the genocide in Gaza started. … the response by the pro IDF people has always been the same, which is to complain about how people don’t care about other events in the world, which is a lie. Or to a
why isn't the overall average weighted for population? india is more people than basically all the other countries combined... are we playing a game where sweden has the same weight as india?
it exposes a typical contradiction with the world order. they tell us that genocide and apartheid and oppression is bad. but somehow the only force actually fighting against those elements is also bad.
its why I respect Lucium and even yourself more the liberals. at least you guys are honest and consistent in supporting genocide and enslavement of the untermensch.
Very often genocide isn't needed these days. And slavery in a post industrial society is detrimental for the slave owner, most people can't repay themselves under slavery.
We aren't in a malthusian trap where valuable land output would be needed to keep alive people who don't deserve to exist and so on anymore, hasn't been the case for a while.
It's far easier to just send the undesirable the **** away, and make it very clear we are willing and happy to use unlimited violence to get rid of anyone who is a troublemaker of our interests, while we allow shitty people to exist if they never cross their roads with us.
Between february and august, they may have changed their tune.Regardless, what this article shows is they had an agreement on the table which they refused, and supposedly that’s Israel’s fault.I’m sure Israel has not been a very accommodating negotiating partner if that’s supposed to be the point.Hamas could propose that control over the Gaza Strip be handed to the internationa
Hamas refuses to disarm and give back all the hostages before ending hostilities; and Israel refuses to end hostilities with Hamas armed and holding hostages.
This was the case on October 8, 2023, today, and every day in between. And this is the crux of the matter and the rest is noise.
Hamas refuses to disarm and give back all the hostages before ending hostilities; and Israel refuses to end hostilities with Hamas armed and holding hostages.
This was the case on October 8, 2023, today, and every day in between. And this is the crux of the matter and the rest is noise.
There do seem to be some side issues that Hamas conceded somewhat on, based on the article. It’s telling that despite having a full look at the proposed ceasefire they instead decided to rely on quotes from Hamas and Palestinian Jihad leaders on what the contents of the proposal were.
I will say that it’s blackpilling that the media is reporting a “98% similarity” between the Hamas and Witkoff proposals while leaving out that the 2% is the most significant part of it, whether or not Hamas and Gaza would be demilitarized.
It’s like saying an alcoholic drink that has been roofied is 99% similar to the one that hasn’t been.
why isn't the overall average weighted for population? india is more people than basically all the other countries combined... are we playing a game where sweden has the same weight as india?
In fairness, the (Hindu Nationalist) Indian peoples' support for Israel isn't based on any real ideological alignment or belief Israel is a moral actor; they merely see themselves as having a common enemy in Islam, especially Pakistan.
If Israel normalized relations with Pakistan those favorability numbers would immediately plummet.
In fairness, the (Hindu Nationalist) Indian peoples' support for Israel isn't based on any real ideological alignment or belief Israel is a moral actor; they merely see themselves as having a common enemy in Islam, especially Pakistan.
If Israel normalized relations with Pakistan those favorability numbers would immediately plummet.
And how is that different from all those western leftists who side with hamas just as a proxy of anticapitalism?
There do seem to be some side issues that Hamas conceded somewhat on, based on the article. It’s telling that despite having a full look at the proposed ceasefire they instead decided to rely on quotes from Hamas and Palestinian Jihad leaders on what the contents of the proposal were.I will say that it’s blackpilling that the media is reporting a “98% similarity” between the Ha
Fact is Hamas sources should absolutely never be quoted or used as information sources about anything.
It can be useful to tell us what they say at times, but uniquely with a caveat repeated every time Hamas sources are involved that they are terrorists who should never be believed about anything.
Anyone who at any time, in the media, used anything said by Hamas as an actual source of anything, has to be forever discarded as an actual enemy of western civilization. There is no compromising with terrorists or "well maybe this time they aren't lying" or anything else.
It's utterly incredible that we allow the media to be the megaphone of terrorist propaganda. Even under the 1a (which only the USA have), during a war there are limits to what the media can say if it any way or form it helps the enemy.
And if an ally is in a war the same limits should apply. Which btw in europe we routinely do for Russian propaganda.
There do seem to be some side issues that Hamas conceded somewhat on, based on the article. It’s telling that despite having a full look at the proposed ceasefire they instead decided to rely on quotes from Hamas and Palestinian Jihad leaders on what the contents of the proposal were.I will say that it’s blackpilling that the media is reporting a “98% similarity” between the Ha
where does it say 98 similarity? the multiple reports I read said that Hamas accepted the American proposal without any changes. heres a liberal Imperialist outlet saying that very thing.
oh look another video of a thing that Dun claims never happensZionist censorship will probably limit linking so here ya gohttps://x.com/ytirawi/status/19607606082...
Looks like a clean and precise execution.
