Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Italian media is reporting that Elyan Amid (IDF chief of staff) said that basically all remaning Hamas leadership is outside of Gaza and the West Bank but they do intend to assassinate each and every one of them.
They’re capable of that, but somehow October 7 is allowed to occur. Come on now.
yes and? all sources that aren't adamantly pro-Israel aren't useful at all in any conversation about Israel, we already established that.Palestine doesn't exist, "palestinians" as a people don't exist (middle eastern arabs occupying gaza and west bank illegally exist), all the water in front of Gaza is owned by Israel, and Israel should enforce it's property right with lethal v
Palestine is thousands of years old. It was a glorious and beautiful place when controlled by the Romans and also the Crusaders. It’s interesting that a Muslim traveler of the 12th century Ibn Jubair visited Jerusalem under Catholic rule and reported that the Jews and Muslims were getting along very well and we’re prospering.
The first Crusade was quite violent… warfare during that time was violent often in siege warfare if the defenders do not surrender, things will get very bloody. Still, it could be argued that Netanyahu current genocide in Gaza is actually much worse than the first Crusade. The IDF is attacking hospitals in Gaza while on the other hand during the middle ages The Knights Hospitallar a brotherhood of Knights who took up the sword to defend, but also were capable of medical relief. Provided medical relief to anyone that needed it, including Jews and Muslims. The Knights even provided medical relief to those they fought in battle. What a distinct difference you see the Honor you see the integrity.
Also this is very important. Jews have a very rich and prosperous culture in so many areas of the world. Really setting up their own culture, but also contributing tremendously to the country they were living in becoming a part of that country’s culture. Jews have lived in countries outside of Palestine longer than many other religious groups even existed. Most Jews of the world to this day don’t live in Israel and have no connection to it. Like European Jews, American Jews , Iranian Jews, Russian Jews, Turkish Jews.
Yes if Israel claims to try to treat them with courtesy and then severely injuries someone, that's very bad PR.Which is why Israel should stop trying to play nice and go *actually all in* against all enemies including all worldwide pro hamas leftists and stop caring about their well being at all.They have Trump backing, and Italy and Germany aren't swaying away either. We are t
Huh? The Prime Minister of Italy is not too happy with Netanyahu.
“Meloni Calls Israeli Strike on Gaza Hospital “Unacceptable Attack on Press Freedom” | APT”
That’s the whole problem. And that is why it’s a big lie when the Israeli government claims to be a democracy, claims to be humanitarian. They’re not like the USA. They’re not like western countries. They deny gaza statehood not only this but the citizens of Gaza have less rights and our second class citizens compared to those of Israel. Palestinians around the world are also n
There was and still is a path to recognition of a Palestinian nationalty in Gaza. It goes through a regime that does not call for the destruction of Israel and the murder of Jews.
Has Israel missed opportunities in the past (including insisting on handing over Gaza to Egypt)? Of course.
Have the Palestinians missed similar opportunities? Of course.
Now there is no political entity that we can recognize. Hamas will not be recognized by us. Period. The Palestinian public also has responsibility for the situation. Anyone who tries to demonize only one side is blind to the complexity of the conflict
Jasus Lucio is there any situation at all that you feel doesn’t require lethal force?😆
yes, many. All deportations don't require it for example. A lot of petty crimes wouldn't even require jail (rather house arrest) at first or at most second offense.
Acts of war though like illegally entering territory in group with a coordinated goal against a country are a lethal force matter.
86% of genocide scholars say Israel has met the legal definition of genocide.
Bad faith or difficulty with reading comprehension
Of those two I’d guess it’s your reading comprehension, though you could just be lying again.
Eighty-six percent of those who voted among the 500-member International Association of Genocide Scholars backed the resolution declaring Israel’s "policies and actions in Gaza" had met the legal definition set out in Article II of the 1948 UN convention on genocide.
yes, many. All deportations don't require it for example. A lot of petty crimes wouldn't even require jail (rather house arrest) at first or at most second offense.
Acts of war though like illegally entering territory in group with a coordinated goal against a country are a lethal force matter.
...Acts of war?😆 You really are batshit nuts mate.
his viewpoint is quite common. in fact, its a core tenet of Western society. they fantasized about massacring civilians delivering aid well before the current genocide.
no amount of blood will sate these people.
and in fact Israel did execute many people in an attack on an unarmed flotilla in 2010
40 ships trying to illegally enter a country territorial waters, in a coordinated way, how would you call it? piracy because no state actor is directly involved? but there are members of some parliaments / local gvmnts in them if i read correctly.
Of those two I’d guess it’s your reading comprehension, though you could just be lying again.
"of those who voted", how many members does that organization have? you know what happens to you in most countries with military leftist control of academia if you vote against the party line?
I expect only people in the few non-leftist controlled universities voted against.
This is the typical "leftists ask leftists and others at gunpoint if they agree with leftism" way to determine non existent "consensus" that you guys use all the times.
Acts of war though like illegally entering territory in group with a coordinated goal against a country are a lethal force matter.
So when people without passports arrive by boat just gun them down?
Israel committing genocide in Gaza, world’s top scholars on the crime say
International Association of Genocide Scholars resolution backed by 86% of members who voted
An overwhelming majority of members of the world’s leading genocide scholars’ association have backed a resolution stating that Israel’s actions in Gaza meet the legal definition of the crime.
Eighty-six per cent of those who voted in the 500-member International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS) supported the motion. The resolution states that “Israel’s policies and actions in Gaza meet the legal definition of genocide in article II of the United Nations convention for the prevention and punishment of the crime of genocide (1948).”
The three-page resolution passed by the body calls on Israel to “immediately cease all acts that constitute genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity against Palestinians in Gaza, including deliberate attacks against and killing of civilians including children; starvation; deprivation of humanitarian aid, water, fuel, and other items essential to the survival of the population; sexual and reproductive violence; and forced displacement of the population.”
The resolution said the IAGS recognised that “since the horrific Hamas-led attack of 7 October 2023, which itself constitutes international crimes”, the government of Israel had engaged in systematic and widespread crimes against humanity, war crimes and genocide, including indiscriminate and deliberate attacks against the civilians and civilian infrastructure, including hospitals, homes and commercial buildings, of Gaza.
Melanie O’Brien, the IAGS president and a professor of international law at the University of Western Australia, said the resolution was “a definitive statement from experts in the field of genocide studies that what is going on on the ground in Gaza is genocide”.
Founded in 1994, the IAGS has a broad membership that includes academics, historians, political scientists and human rights activists. It has adopted previous resolutions identifying genocide, including historical cases such as the Armenian genocide.
it can be enough to simply push them away but ofc if they attempt any violent act to enter even after they notice your presence and hear your order to move away they can and should be sunk yes.
Same as on the land border if you don't stop and go away they can shoot you.
it can be enough to simply push them away but ofc if they attempt any violent act to enter even after they notice your presence and hear your order to move away they can and should be sunk yes.
If you "push them away" (with bigger boats I suppose?) but they keep trying to enter what do you do then?
yes at least that will make you guys stop pretending actual real marxists don't exist in our countries.
I didn't see any mention of Marx.
