Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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what Jewish institutions oppose the genocide? what synagogues or JCC's or Hillel branches? what Jewish owned companies even?
the fact is that approx 99.99% of Jewish organizations (I literally cant think of single one fwiw) support the genocide or Israel. the vast majority of Jewish people throughout the world support the genocide.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ahli_...
People are free to take a look. Basically everyone except Hamas and the PIJ have concluded that the missile most likely originated from within Gaza.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ahli_...
People are free to take a look. Basically everyone except Hamas and the PIJ have concluded that the missile most likely originated from within Gaza.
Actually PIJ was caught on hot mic admitting it was theirs.
nope, it was supposedly a Hamas "hot mic". but like, try to use the barest amount of critical thinking skills on this one.
10-20% of Hamas’ rockets land on Palestinians lol. They’re also notoriously terrible at conventional warfare. Critical thinking would lead you to believing that many Gazans have been killed by Hamas mishaps, just like that water carrying girl.
transcriptions of the hot mic:
man1: hello fellow Khamas terrorist, how who are you today?
man2: not great khabibi, I have not murdered any Jews yet.
man1: oy vey! well, inshallah tomorrow you will find martydom taking out an Ubermensch. but have you heard, our PIJ brothers bombed the Ah Ahli hospital!
man2! OY VEY! I mean, Alhamdulillah! (aside: we can cut that right?) now we can blame the Jews. dead children are great for Khamas. I mean Hamas.
Literally all forms of critical thinking would lead you to the conclusion that the missile was fired by Hamas or PIJ. No one has time for your schizo posting atm Vic.
Israel has bombed and destroyed every single hospital in Gaza except this one time, a broken PIJ missile somehow landed on a hospital and killed 100s of people. this is critical thinking.
It’s not “somehow”. In their attempts to kill Jews, the radical Islamists actually kill many of their own people. You guys posted a video just recently of this happening.
Iirc the hospital incident was the same incident where Hamas reported 500 casualties before they could possibly even know a figure. Funny stuff. Of course Victor with his top notch critical thinking skills saw nothing wrong with this. Lmao.
Do you accept that these buildings are completely militarized (booby traps, weapons caches, tunnel entrances) and on top of this a giant security concern because it gives snipers a location to operate from?It seems pretty obvious that If Israel is going to move ground troops in to secure the area, leaving the high rise buildings would be a tremendous security vulnerability for
Well, it’s not a war. It’s a blood bath. But what you failed to mention or don’t care about is the ideological problem associated with the Netanyahu administration. How they are handling the war is entirely different from how for example the USA handled the war in Iraq. Where you saw American soldiers rebuilding schools And actually helping kids in Iraq often filmed doing it. I’ve seen nothing like that out of Israel’s military action in Gaza. I never see leading Israeli Muslim politicians side-by-side with Netanyahu at press conference conferences. What a massive difference.
Again,
Victor ,
Supporting the idea of a Jewish state that includes defending Zionism is not the same thing as supporting the Netanyahu administration. There’s been different ideas as to how Zionism should be carried out, including immigration policies within Israel.
It’s somewhat similar to supporting Russia, like being a Russian patriot but opposing the Putin administration and the Russian war in Ukraine.
Victor it’s already Been posted that there are Jewish human rights organizations like Btselem as we saw off the Wikipedia link and others who suggest that there is a genocide going on in Gaza. That answers your question.
There’s been different ideas as to how Zionism should be carried out
Israel and Zionism is necessarily predicated on the displacement of the native population. the early Zionists were clear on this.
Btselem lends some credibility sure, but at this point, why do you need Jewish people (and those who support Israel no less) to tell you the same things that Palestinians have been saying from day one?
Well, it’s not a war. It’s a blood bath. But what you failed to mention or don’t care about is the ideological problem associated with the Netanyahu administration. How they are handling the war is entirely different from how for example the USA handled the war in Iraq. Where you saw American soldiers rebuilding schools And actually helping kids in Iraq often filmed doing it. I
again, lol at that graph. Not even covidiots published insane stuff like that when they wanted to lock up everyone
10-20% of Hamas’ rockets land on Palestinians lol. They’re also notoriously terrible at conventional warfare. Critical thinking would lead you to believing that many Gazans have been killed by Hamas mishaps, just like that water carrying girl.
The Israelis have just spent two years killing 60,000 Gazans, with great glee, and destroying almost everything in Gaza except Hamas, partly because they're lazy and incompetent and they're doing it wrong, but mainly because their evident object is to inflict collective punishment and engage in what you might call forced population reduction, which the ICC calls genocide. I don't think any of us is really obliged to believe Israeli cover stories at this point.
The Israelis have just spent two years killing 60,000 Gazans, with great glee, and destroying almost everything in Gaza except Hamas, partly because they're lazy and incompetent and they're doing it wrong, but mainly because their evident object is to inflict collective punishment and engage in what you might call forced population reduction, which the ICC calls genocide. I don
Idk at what point you decided to go mask off, but you don’t get to tell the Israelis they’re “doing it wrong” without backing that up. Maybe you’d like to see more IDF dying but that’s obviously not in Israel’s interest. Hamas spent 15 years of international aid to turn Gaza into a death trap and the IDF is operating accordingly.
And I take it you acknowledge that 10-20% of Hamas’ own missiles land on Palestinians. So a significant number of that 60k are either militants or people killed by Hamas.
I think you’ve missed the part where Israel decided to buck the status quo and isn’t putting its soldiers in unnecessary danger because unaffected parties (you) across the globe want to throw a fit over something you have no clue about.
Do you have any coherent stance on what the “right way” to go about things would be?
As it stands, from an Israelis POV they’ve been doing things the right way. In under 2 years they’ve decimated the Axis of Resistance with minimal casualties. Maybe that’s got you shaken.
The Israelis have just spent two years killing 60,000 Gazans, with great glee, and destroying almost everything in Gaza except Hamas, partly because they're lazy and incompetent and they're doing it wrong, but mainly because their evident object is to inflict collective punishment and engage in what you might call forced population reduction, which the ICC calls genocide. I don
If all of this was so obvious there would be no need to exaggerate what has happened in this war. So if you want to talk about why no one believe Israel, this is why people don’t believe any anti-Israel commentator that wants to pretend they haven’t accomplished any of their goals militarily.
In other news, two Palestinians shot up a bus stop in Israel, killing 6 people. Attempting to go after a high value military target no doubt. For Israelis and those who knew about the conflict pre Oct 7th this isn’t new or unexpected. This might get Netanyahu to rethink his plans of conquest and genocide.
Can someone on the pro-Pali socialist side explain to me why Mamdhani is being character assassinated by the biggest socialist larpers on twitter?
it's not character assassination to call him an establishment still after he pals around with Bernie, and AOC.
