Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Of course. German people are no different to other people. Most people fightt for the side they are born into.
your apologia doesnt extend to the people being genocided tho.
blaming it on Netanyahu and absolving the Israeli people and the Zionists and yes ultimately the Jewish people is a primary form of genocide support. just like the Germans needed to address their Naziism, the Jews need to address their own genocide support.
Maybe but there is no absolving.
I'd like to think the bad old days of such nonsense had gone unstuck
the unstuckers would have called you personally all kinds of names. I am just saying that it is nonsense to try to pin this almost exclusively on Bibi when 90% of Israel supports it and the vast majority of non-Israeli Jews support it.
and besides hes democratically elected, as they love to point out.
the unstuckers would have called you personally all kinds of names. I am just saying that it is nonsense to try to pin this almost exclusively on Bibi when 90% of Israel supports it and the vast majority of non-Israeli Jews support it.
and besides hes democratically elected, as they love to point out.
The logical extension of your world view is everyone is guilty, no absolution is possible, The Resistance has a moral obligation to continue until Israel or them is destroyed, and the 2 sides should just fight it out until there is a clear victor.
I have made this point before in various ways, but most Islamists and far leftists dont actually want peace, they just want the rest of the world to create conditions so the Palestinians can carry on their resistance more effectively.
Jalfrezi loves his talking heads. Have you considered forming your own opinion?
White Arabs
You have nothing to say of substance to me. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence would hide their sore arseholes and be quiet.
Pro-palis are the ones that harassed bernie for 2 years because he didn’t call it a genocide on October 8th.
And who has been proved right?
Hey Mr. White Arabs.
Tell us more about the connection between the movement of whites to the suburbs following the entry of blacks into the neighborhood, and the departure of Christians from Nazareth due to violence by Muslims.
I’m pretty sure last time I saw him speaking on the subject he was talking about Israel’s right to “defend itself”, the Zionists favourite form of words for justifying the genocide.
The King-Crane Commission report to the Paris Peace Conference in early 1919, just over a year after the Balfour Declaration stated
"it can hardly be doubted that the extreme Zionist Program must be greatly modified. For "a national home for the Jewish people" is not equivalent to making Palestine into a Jewish State; nor can the erection of such a Jewish State be accomplished without the gravest trespass upon the "civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine"
"The fact came out repeatedly in the Commission's conference with Jewish representatives, that the Zionists looked forward to a practically complete dispossession of the present non-Jewish inhabitants of Palestine."
the unstuckers would have called you personally all kinds of names. I am just saying that it is nonsense to try to pin this almost exclusively on Bibi when 90% of Israel supports it and the vast majority of non-Israeli Jews support it.
and besides hes democratically elected, as they love to point out.
I wouldn't lump you in with them lot but I think it's a terrible mistake to miss what is being done to countries own people.
I think it matters for key moral reasons but practically in a democracy it's really important. The pressure on our leaders not to wage war is considerable when it's measured in terms body bags coming home but the rest of the casualties, in particular the non visible casualties get far too easily ignored. I think it was Bertrand Russell who said something like 'the worst thing a government can do isn't sending it's people to be killed, it's sending them to kill others'. Maye a bit rhetorical but it's something we mustn't allow leaders to so easily get a pass on because some wookieish attempt to scare us off with something about apologizing which makes no real sense.
I appreciate you think I make it too much about Netanyahu. i dont really but he gets the fcus int he same way starmer, trump and evn hitler do. Obviosuly there are lots of many other people to hold to account as well involved but the leader is both a special case and a figurehead
Exactly, he's a figurehead for the rest of his cabinet and MPs who are mainly even more extreme. If he fell under a bus tomorrow his replacement would probably be even worse, so it's not really about Netanyahu at all, appalling monster that he is.
whats the saying? someday, when its safe we will all have been against this. well I guess that day just came for Bernie.
I read his statement and its disgusting Zionist propaganda which ofc isnt a surprise but it was still somehow worse than I would have guessed. what a ghoul.
The statement wasn't perfect, but effective coalitions are messy affairs.
The inevitable result of Israel’s unstoppable aggression is about to happen, as more Arab nations are about to sign defence deals with Pakistan, nuclear state.
Hey Mr. White Arabs.
Tell us more about the connection between the movement of whites to the suburbs following the entry of blacks into the neighborhood, and the departure of Christians from Nazareth due to violence by Muslims.
What about it?
Israel does have a right to defend itself, they just don’t have a right to our money or ethnic cleansing.
Do Palestinians have a right to defend themselves?
Of course, if they are attacked without just provocation under international law they are able to defend their country. If applied correctly that means they should not have done October 7th because they did not have just provocation. It was not “self-defense” if you will.
if they existed as a population with a state yes, given they don't, they are just middle eastern arabs living in areas under grey international definition, they do not have any collective right of any kind including self defense no as they don't exist as a polity with political rights.
They are not a "people" with a right to their nation and to defend it in any sense. Unlike Israelis (and jordans and egyptians and so on).
Of course, if they are attacked without just provocation under international law they are able to defend their country. If applied correctly that means they should not have done October 7th because they did not have just provocation. It was not “self-defense” if you will.
75 years of murderous land theft and the Gaza embargo are not provocation?
