President Donald Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
Aside from interviewing rurals dumb enough to vote for Trump in the first place, it's sort of funny how little analysis of this major Trump blunder there is. When you look and sound like Trump, there's low expectations due to cultural experience and biases, but this is still pretty insane. If you want to get into a trade war step 1 is tariffs. Steps 2 to N are doing a bunch of interventions into your economy to mitigate the trade war you started or escalated. Trump has done none of the actual work.
China on the other hand has invested billions, along with Brazil in creating a parallel market for soybeans. It's not just a matter of farm land and the right climate; having the ground and port infrastructure to viably deliver soybeans to China in the volume they need was something only the US could do until Trumponomics. If the concern was trade deficits, Trump through nothing but his own stupidity massively f'ed up the country's #1 Agricultural export.
After the first Trump term rurals/idiots were talking about how tariffs must be fine because Biden didn't undo them and even looked to mitigate the disaster by adding more. But that's just how trade wars work and why the US hasn't tried Trump style tariffs since becoming a superpower. Since it now appears South America can meet China's soybean demand, US soybean farmers have a permanent competitor going forward. Even if the next presidents undoes Trump's tariffs, they can't undo the fact that Brazil and China invested billions creating railways and ports to compete with US farmers. The US now has to spend billions more to improve the situation but ultimately get to a worse point than simply selling soybeans to China like before. Econ 101 stuff only Trump and Trumpers were too dumb to not know.
It’s almost as if trump is far too ****ing stupid to hold the job he has and his supporters are far too ****ing stupid to realize they’re the marks of his shell game
But, you know, libs are mad and browns are terrified. MAGA
I’m not even remotely interested in humoring red meat maga bullshit like immigration or crime, fixating on just the economy I would argue the only people who might be your Everyman that trump has improved the lives of are crypto bros (in part, of course, cuz of his crypto involvement but that’s neither here nor there)
So mongo, fgators, lozen, washoe, mason Malmuth, etc, I put it to you: how has Donald trump’s policies made you financially better off than you were 2 years ago?
The market, fueled by the crazy corporate spending in ai is the only thing propping up the economy. Upper income spending remains solid due to rising portfolios but middle and lower income spending is in the toilet. If this market bubble pops we are royally screwed.
I’m not even remotely interested in humoring red meat maga bullshit like immigration or crime, fixating on just the economy I would argue the only people who might be your Everyman that trump has improved the lives of are crypto bros (in part, of course, cuz of his crypto involvement but that’s neither here nor there)So mongo, fgators, lozen, washoe, mason Malmuth, etc, I put i
I have said I would never vote for Trump but I am also a CDN . I will agree under no circumstances has Trump made the average American's life better . Short term his tariffs have really hurt pretty much everyone .
Though one thing he has done a great job is on immigration the border is pretty much closed and folks that did not come into the country the right way under Joe Biden's open border policy are now being removed .
Its not like under Joe Biden life was better either.
Though I would argue that decisions made at the local level and state level effect individuals more than the federal level when it comes to crime and cost of living
Since it now appears South America can meet China's soybean demand, US soybean farmers have a permanent competitor going forward.
THIS... is the long term tragedy.
Yet somehow, Trump idiots continue to spin "short term pain for long term gain"
Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
Since it now appears South America can meet China's soybean demand, US soybean farmers have a permanent competitor going forward.
THIS... is the long term tragedy.
Yet somehow, Trump idiots continue to spin "short term pain for long term gain"
Actually the soybeans are coming from Argentina, subsidized by the Argentinian govt (and American loans). So basically the Trump administration has made a calculation that supporting a friendly regime is higher EV than domestic soybean farmers.
In fairness, I doubt they calculated anything, but that is how things worked out, and they seem ok with it.
Yeah the short term pain argument is always lol when republicans don’t even have concepts of plans on what the long term benefits are. Aside from the Ag export disaster, the manufacturing industry has been hemorrhaging jobs. There don’t look to be any plans to add manufacturing as that would take subsidies and planning for the administration which they have no skill or talent st doing. It’s really only comparable to Brexit in it’s completely self inflicted negative economic impact for no gain that was obvious even without hindsight.
Aside from interviewing rurals dumb enough to vote for Trump in the first place, it's sort of funny how little analysis of this major Trump blunder there is. When you look and sound like Trump, there's low expectations due to cultural experience and biases, but this is still pretty insane. If you want to get into a trade war step 1 is tariffs. Steps 2 to N are doing a bunch
For the most technologically advanced country on earth, it’s hard to see how surplus soybean production for export counts as anything close to optimal capital allocation.
The irony is the only reason we’re producing that surplus in the first place is because we’ve hollowed out much of our manufacturing base and need something to trade for the goods we don’t make here anymore. Our surplus ought to be things no one else can make - robotics, chip-fab tools, ev, aerospace systems, advanced materials - not bulk commodities you can grow anywhere with dirt and rain.
But I don’t think Trump is stupid in the way you’re saying. I think he’s stupid because he thinks finance is economics and that moving numbers around on a balance sheet is the same thing as creating value. It’s the same mindset that hollowed out the country’s industrial base in the first place. Seeing trade, labor, and production as abstractions instead of value-add systems that sustain real people and capacity is exactly how we got here. It’s balance-sheet economics ie confusing asset inflation with real growth.
The US is the most technologically advanced country on earth. The places in the US producing soybeans…. not so much. Yeah it would be great if rurals could do advanced manufacturing or high end skill based services but if you ever talk to them it’s clear that ain’t happening.
For the most technologically advanced country on earth, it’s hard to see how surplus soybean production for export counts as anything close to optimal capital allocation.The irony is the only reason we’re producing that surplus in the first place is because we’ve hollowed out much of our manufacturing base and need something to trade for the goods we don’t make here anymore. Ou
Trump believes the economy works like real estate.
Cant even distinguish how long term interest rates works for a country .
He found 1 “economist” (Navarro) that agree with him and thinks his 100% right despite all the others that said the contrary .
Pretty much how he think about climate changes and other stuffs.
But I don’t think Trump is stupid in the way you’re saying. I think he’s stupid because he thinks finance is economics and that moving numbers around on a balance sheet is the same thing as creating value. It’s the same mindset that hollowed out the country’s industrial base in the first place. Seeing trade, labor, and production as abstractions in
I’m not sure we really disagree. He’s pretty stupid generally and anything requiring multiple steps and background knowledge like a trade war he will screw up. It’s cultural among that group who never really trained themselves to think. Like Joe Rogan or Lozen are not going to go and learn how t testing and medical research testing works and why we can be sure that’s it’s better for a healthy 20 year old to get a covid vaccine regardless of prior exposure/infection status. They’ll just spout nonsense and say it’s elitist to say they don’t have the education and more importantly brain processing power to understand why educated people fully understand their mistakes.
He found 1 “economist” (Navarro) that agree with him and thinks his 100% right despite all the others that said the contrary🤐.
That's exactly how he convinces his followers he's a genius. He takes contrarian positions, ignores the failures (or declares bankruptcy) and when the long shot hits, points to it as proof he’s smarter than the experts. Basic survivorship bias.
And incase it gets lost in translation, I'm joking with the space. Never even noticed it before. You communicate fine, fwiw.
Can’t wait til the soybean farmers go back to trump’s saggy tit cuz somehow it was the Dems and woke DEI that caused them to go belly up
Lack of capitalization and formatting as if it is a poem is a little higher on the list, IMHO. Clearly it is the result of anarchist infiltration and Trump should send in the military to do something about it.
Indeed, but baby steps 😆
Every dem who crosses over to reopen the government with no deal on obummercare in place deserve to be primaried into ****ing oblivion
Including and especially Shrek
I thought this at first as well, but I heard it recommended by someone else that they should go ahead and let those subsidies expire if necessary. Then next year when lots of people's premiums go way up, they're going to be upset and know it will be the fault of Trump and the Republican congress, leading to Democrats doing much better in the 2026 elections. Of course, Trump could still make up some crazy BS way to claim the Democrats are responsible for the premium increases, and most of his idiots may believe him.
Actually the soybeans are coming from Argentina, subsidized by the Argentinian govt (and American loans). So basically the Trump administration has made a calculation that supporting a friendly regime is higher EV than domestic soybean farmers.
In fairness, I doubt they calculated anything, but that is how things worked out, and they seem ok with it.
What EV could Trump and the Republicans actually be gaining by sending $20 billion to Argentina? I can't imagine any significant number of people are going to vote Republican due to that, and I can't see how having Argentina be a strong ally of the US would be amazingly beneficial, at least in the short run (which is all he cares about).
I suppose it could benefit Trump personally if he somehow gets a big kickback from the payment, but it seems more likely that he just sees another head of government who is as f'ed up as he is and he doesn't want to be lonely at the top.
What EV could Trump and the Republicans actually be gaining by sending $20 billion to Argentina? I can't imagine any significant number of people are going to vote Republican due to that, and I can't see how having Argentina be a strong ally of the US would be amazingly beneficial, at least in the short run (which is all he cares about).I suppose it could benefit Trump persona
You have to remember you've already put more thought into this than Trump has.
I thought this at first as well, but I heard it recommended by someone else that they should go ahead and let those subsidies expire if necessary. Then next year when lots of people's premiums go way up, they're going to be upset and know it will be the fault of Trump and the Republican congress, leading to Democrats doing much better in the 2026 elections. Of course, Trump c
I get that but there are two problems here:
1. We have arrived at the point where the human cost far outweighs midterm EV
2. To your point, Dems are so politically incompetent that nobody (that matters) will blame republicans for this
Even Argentina. Nobody in the right wing derpsphere is talking about this not just because it makes trump look like a hypocrite who sold out his voters, but also because the guy they are propping up with this bailout is the guy pushing the DOGE agenda to its final form and to put any attention at all to this would make everyone look bad
you can be very smart in gaining a phd and still be proficient in only 1 language.that is what i mean when i post a link to show the education achievement here ( and cheaply) being this high at university.fwiw i never said i included myself in those stats :pbut i speak (not write) ok enough in 2 language and going for a 3rd.at my age , writing great in my second and 3rd langua
i thought for a moment luc was unbanned
The market, fueled by the crazy corporate spending in ai is the only thing propping up the economy. Upper income spending remains solid due to rising portfolios but middle and lower income spending is in the toilet. If this market bubble pops we are royally screwed.
Your average portfolio watcher doesn't realize just how far down a tech/AI burst could send the securities. You'd have the perfect storm of high-volume young/middle income people seeing a perceived value trap, averaging down to levels they never thought was possible due to 15 years of engrained buy the dip, that would wipe them out + more people now than ever relying on stock market returns as a source of income being wiped out.
It wouldn’t be 2008, but a supercharged version of 2000. But I think the silver lining to recessions, as I’ve said before, is that they can bring people together politically, as the masses begin to align on what needs to be done. And it's probably what needs to happen for the dems to be able to win.
This could go in israel/palestine thread but somehow I think this is very Trump centric.
"I am told the first phase should be completed this week, and I am asking everyone to move fast."
"time is of the essence or massive bloodshed will follow".
When asked about flexibility over his peace plan, Trump said "we don't need flexibility because everybody has pretty much agreed to it, but there will always be some changes".
"It's a great deal for Israel, it's a great deal for the entire Arab world, Muslim world, and world, so we're very happy about it," he added.
Meanwhile, Israeli air strikes continued in Gaza, despite Trump telling Israel to "immediately stop the bombing" on Friday after Hamas responded to the proposed plan.
All good but coupled with this :
PEACE – Friday, 10 October, 11:00 CEST
The Norwegian Nobel Committee, The Norwegian Nobel Institute (Norska Nobelinstitutet), Store Sal, Henrik Ibsens gate 51, Oslo
Idk if prizes are set already or can have last minute changes but I have the feeling Trump could fk anyone over just to get this prize before he dies.
Or it's just funny timing.
The US is the most technologically advanced country on earth. The places in the US producing soybeans…. not so much. Yeah it would be great if rurals could do advanced manufacturing or high end skill based services but if you ever talk to them it’s clear that ain’t happening.
Even your existing manufacturing industry was in short supply of qualified workers, at least before Trump decided to run your economy aground.
This isn't the 1820s where most manufacturing jobs was taught on-site. These days you need a fair amount of basic schooling and likely 2-3 years of higher education before you are qualified to even start, plus you likely need a lot of schooling / courses throughout your career to keep up with demands. That is a ship that takes time to turn. You need to invest in infrastructure, education and recruitment and you need to do it over a longer period of time, your policies likely need to survive a fair amount of political shifts as well.
You also can't just magically conjure people. If your recruitment is just cannibalizing existing industry, then that's great for your company / industry, but the country's situation has not actually improved. So, you need to make sure you are not just spending a lot of money to shift resources around, but actually expanding overall capacity. So, more than likely you also need to either invest in more efficient technology or make it financially appealing to invest in more efficient technology.
The Biden administration implemented a fair amount of solid policies to address this, but I suspect only a patchwork of those now remain, as the GOP under Trump's political reign seems disinterested in anything that can't have his name stamped on top.
