Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Social media accounts reporting the Sunni Gulf states will not be involved in the Gaza reconstruction project until Hamas disarms; so looks like US and Europe is going to be on the hook for all the costs for the foreseeable future.
If true it’s an outrage that Israel is not paying a penny for Gaza… equally that international bodies are effectively doing nothing to freeze Israeli assets and penalize Israeli government officials and make them pay for it. Just like is being done with regards to Russia.
The double standard is there everyday for folks to see.
Also note how the US put significant funds into Afghanistan and Iraq to rebuild their infrastructure after invading those countries …showing the clear moral difference.
Israeli policy under Netanyahu and rhetoric such as yours is a breeding ground for antisemitism. Gotta have new leadership in Israel.
Israel has given ****tons of money to the Palestinians. They helped supply Gaza with water and electricity because Hamas is more interested in building terror tunnels than critical infrastructure.
Israel did request and approve Qatari funding for Hamas since 2018, when the PA cut off funding to Gaza. The Israelis claim this was for humanitarian reasons, which it obviously wasn't, and they deny that it was a divide-and-rule move (to big up an opponent of the PA so they could claim there was no unified authority to negotiate with), which it obviously was. Even in Israel it is fairly often said that Netanyahu's own policy funded the crimes of Oct 7.
The Israelis claim that, since June, they have spent large sums on humanitarian aid for Gaza, which is paradoxical since they have made such a point of killing people who assemble at aid distribution points.
On a feeble pretext, Israel has now stopped humanitarian aid to Gaza and resumed bombing, quelle surprise, quelle enorme surprise et quelle surprise encore, in line with the Israeli far-right's view that, having got the hostages back, they can just carry on killing Palestinians. Why the US keeps hog-tying itself to this bad-faith Bronze-Age ethnic-supremacist frenemy, God alone knows. Eisenhower for one would be shaking his head.
I'm aware Israel facilitated the Qatari funding; I was challenging the claim that Israel spends its own money on the behalf of Palestinians in the West Bank or Gaza. More often, they are withholding taxes and duties collected by the PA.
It's going to cause a thread meltdown when the Israel groupies realise that Vic was right.
That's assuming they haven't all followed in the footsteps of rafiki, corpus, gs etc and legged it out of here out of shame.
I'm aware Israel facilitated the Qatari funding; I was challenging the claim that Israel spends its own money on the behalf of Palestinians in the West Bank or Gaza. More often, they are withholding taxes and duties collected by the PA.
They collect taxes on behalf of the PA and before the war there were 150-200k Palestinians working in Israel. On top of this they supply water and electricity because the Palestinians are busy spending their money on military pursuits.
Anyone with common sense already knows this. The Israeli government has taken hundreds of billions of dollars from America. With huge funds giving to them since the war on Gaza started… one would think some of that would be used to build schools and hospitals in Gaza. It’s not. The greed and the deception of the Israeli politicians is so ugly. They are a breeding ground for antisemitism.
And then of course, the whining from pro Netanyahu people…. these are low IQ people who have no interest in the truth, just regurgitating stupid one liners.
Other Israelis want a different approach… no more relying on foreign funding. After all Israel has upwards of 90 nuclear warheads. There are no Egyptian, Jordanian or Saudi tanks or military jets hitting Tel Aviv. There is no war in Gaza it’s the IDF doing whatever it was with no real international response. Unlike Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Anyone ever ask why Israel is not banned from FIFA competitions but Russia is…It’s blatant hypocrisy.
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/n...
Israel is not “ surrounded by enemies” nor are they “fighting for their own existence” These are low educated stupid propaganda lines from hasbara…as Jordan for example intercepted missiles from Iran headed to Israel during the war. Not to mention the Abraham accords.
Most Israelis believe the current Prime Minister of Israel should accept responsibility for the October 7 attack with some of them openly saying that gov officials allowed the attack to occur. All to prop up racist politicians in Israel and their goals to remove as many Palestinians as possible.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/72-5-of-is...
Hasbara utilizes a tactic all over social media and the Internet by just calling everyone antisemite. Providing dumb ass one liners. Low IQ stuff and it has failed miserably. That’s why opinion polls show that A majority of Americans and even higher percentages of populations in European countries now have a negative view of Israel. Of course there are still the westerners who will waive the flag of Israel no matter what … literally no matter what anyone tells them or the evidence they see ie genocide scholars including Israelis saying there is a genocide in Gaza.. Again some of the most low IQ people in the world.
More honest and morally upright Israelis recognize they need a change in their government. This is a bad chapter in the history of Israel with regards to their war in Gaza…which is unparalleled in terms of civilian casualties in modern war as has been shown countless times throughout the thread from academic scholars.
They collect taxes on behalf of the PA and before the war there were 150-200k Palestinians working in Israel. On top of this they supply water and electricity because the Palestinians are busy spending their money on military pursuits.
Israel does not provide free utilities.
None of your examples are of Israel spending its own money on behalf of the Palestinians.
thats a weird way to say that I was correct but whatever.
anyway, did you see the Supremacists that beat some old lady nearly to death (she still in a coma with a brain bleed last I checked)
theres video of it here, I wont bother in-lining bc I am sure twitter has it blocked.
https://x.com/infinite_jaz/status/197985...
The Israelis claim that, since June, they have spent large sums on humanitarian aid for Gaza, which is paradoxical since they have made such a point of killing people who assemble at aid distribution points.
It isn't paradoxical because that didn't actually happen. There isn't a single piece of real evidence that a single person was killed assembling at an aid distribution point, despite everyone having a cell phone camera.
None. Zero. Zilch. Just "eyewitness reports".
thats a weird way to say that I was correct but whatever.anyway, did you see the Supremacists that beat some old lady nearly to death (she still in a coma with a brain bleed last I checked)theres video of it here, I wont bother in-lining bc I am sure twitter has it blocked.https://x.com/infinite_jaz/status/197985...
Those are some pretty brown arms. That is supposed to be one of the white settler colonial Zionists you keep telling me about?
“Rafah Explosion Kills Two Israeli Soldiers, Collapsing Israel-Hamas Ceasefire
An explosion in Rafah on October 19 killed two Israeli soldiers and injured three, prompting Israel to launch airstrikes across Gaza that killed at least 97 Palestinians and wounded 230, according to Gaza health authorities. U.S. officials determined the blast was caused by an Israeli bulldozer hitting unexploded ordnance, contradicting Israel's initial claim of a Hamas attack from tunnels. The incident led to mutual accusations of ceasefire violations, with Israel's National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir calling for a return to full war and U.S. President Donald Trump vowing strict enforcement of the U.S.-brokered truce.
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“Trump says Gaza ceasefire still in place after Israel and Hamas accuse each other of breaching deal“
Netanyahu is desperate as over 70% of Israelis hold him responsible for the October 7 attack with many of them believing it was allowed to happen. So anything is possible at this point.
I don’t think you should speak for anyone but yourself and you shouldn’t really mention antisemitism after your previous post. I’m not sure what Israel funding Hamas at some point has to do with your complete ambivalence to your tax dollars being used by terrorists, nice whataboutism. Replying to you at all is an insult to my intelligence tbh.
Psychology 101 would say you’re actually insulting my intelligence if you’re accusing me of doing that.
I’ve never felt so strongly that a person should stop posting because all they do is bring up the same mainstream propagandized talking points.
We know you’re side of the argument and we all know it’s not going to age well.
This is actual proof of your incapability to think critically. The fact you are merely a parrot of propaganda.
Anyone who supports genocide is literally lacking in any self awareness of how the rest of the world would view this… it’s a really bad look.
I guess it’s like a child that doesn’t know any better.
You can try and rationalize this away but it’s never going away.
you know what ages well? winning. No one really remembers the small stuff like borderline genocide. Its the smart tactical decision to be unpopular to secure future security if were being honest.
Genocides happen all the time and no one really cares. If this is a genocide its a super small scale one. It won't even be the top 15 genocide of your life.
Im not sure if its genocide when your using your own people as human shields and your population is still increasing but I digress
you know what ages well? winning. No one really remembers the small stuff like borderline genocide. Its the smart tactical decision to be unpopular to secure future security if were being honest.
Genocides happen all the time and no one really cares. If this is a genocide its a super small scale one
except one genocide
you know what ages well? winning. No one really remembers the small stuff like borderline genocide. Its the smart tactical decision to be unpopular to secure future security if were being honest.Genocides happen all the time and no one really cares. If this is a genocide its a super small scale one. It won't even be the top 15 genocide of your life.Im not sure if its genocide w
Except Israel doesn’t have anything to do with US security…
In fact it makes us a target and the bad guys and less secure.
You’re just regurgitating propaganda that’s 20 years old.
Sure it does, it's a big part of empire. Israel prevents the rise of local (or external) powers that might challenge US hegemony over the oil lanes. Washington was thrilled with the 1967 victory, for one.
Why do you think Washington puts up with all Israel's ****?
Sure it does, it's a big part of empire. Israel prevents the rise of local (or external) powers that might challenge US hegemony over the oil lanes. Washington was thrilled with the 1967 victory, for one.
Why do you think Washington puts up with all Israel's ****?
The US has been a net exporter of oil for a few years now.
