Out of the top 6 winners at GGPoker 200NL 4 are the same bot

We went from "irrefutable proof" to "pure luck" but if all those accounts you've reported are indeed gone it must mean something.
So you provide them with names of suspected bots and at least 50 got banned? This must be on GG since you said you only play there... But i was told GG does nothing about bots? Looks like you just need to give them a name and they do the investigation for you apparently. And then ban them as well. Thats not doing nothing on their part to be fair.

If however, these 50 banned accounts were on the other side just the more reason to do this:

Although you obv should do that anyway. Why let them get away with it on other sites? Especially if 90% get banned elsewhere.

you guys are free to do it, im already doing at gg, feel free to do the investigation on other sites as well, to start you guys can look up for players with same stats, i dont have time to go play every site to look for bots, also, they are getting away with it anyway, the only way for then to not get away with it, is if GG change some procedures with the accounts, i told then how to do it, but, idk if they will, if they do, there will be no more bots on GG, if this happen, i can send this to other poker sites as well, also, if you guys have any bot proof on other sites you guys can send here i can take a look and send the other sites an email as well, all i know is what other friends tell me, and they say these kind of bots are playing pretty much everywhere, wich should be expected...

OK right now it looks more like you are a troll than anything else

You already have all the info, or in your words "irrefutable evidence". You know of bots that play GG, ACR, ignition and iPoker.
Yet you only inform GG and want others to find out the same bots and email the other sites???? Even though you can just copy paste the email you've send to GG and send it to the other sites. Will take 1 minute.

But you are 100% sure these bots on GG are the exact same bots as on 3 other sites. How do you know that then?

Wait, now they are getting away with it again???
Yesterday it was this:

What will it be tomorrow? 🙂

It would be the first proof shown in this thread

This is the smoking gun? This is the 100% sure irrefutable evidence that the same bot is playing across 4 sites. This in combination with "similar profile/stats" is the basis of the accusation?
Its so speculative yet everything is said like its a fact. Its nowhere near at this point.

yeah, i will give u the same answer i gave the other guy, i have no evidence, and all the accounts get banned out of pure luck, i just say random accounts and out of pure luck these accounts happens to be bots in the end.

Which was my point.

You said GG does nothing to fight these bots. Yet you also say 90% of the accounts you report are being banned.

These two clearly cant co-exist.

can you quote where i said "gg does nothing to fight these bots"?, i dont believe i ever said that, gg does ban the bots, i reported and got some accounts banned, what i would like for GG to do would be changing some things that would make the bots to not make money after they create new accounts, ways to detect and prevent the new accounts from happening, making it -EV to create new ones, but yes, gg banned (after i reported) many bots, but, without reports i have seen bot accounts playing for even 2 years.

It was different people who said the exact quote "gg does nothing to fight bots" and they seem to be in consensus. Although when they read you already got 50+ accounts banned they might change their mind.

You phrased it differently but:

If GG are indeed fighting bots they wouldnt "get away with it"

if GG are indeed fighting bots they would have already done "the minimum of hiring people to make the site safe from bots"

yeah, like i said, when i report with stats they ban, without stats they doesnt seem to ban, at least not instantly, and if i dont report, the bots just play indefinately, they dont have a person working studying all the players stats and trying to find bots, they probably only have a software that auto detects it, i think its exact like i said, bots creates an account, GG cant detect with their bot detection software, maybe they analize clicks or something, but the bots can act like a human in this matter.

so, to summarize, GG does something about the bots, since u said "how can they ban 50 accounts and "do nothing?"" , i never said they dont do anything, but, without player reports the bots doesnt get banned, thats a fact.

Even in the glory days of pokerstars most bots were caught by efforts of the public

Conclusion: When you have the stats on a suspected bot. Email the pokersite! When you catch them on 4 sites, email all 4 sites! Dont let them get away with it!

agreed, but, i never catched then on 4 sites, i just have friends who play in different sites and we share the bot behaviors and they are doing the same kinds of things on all sites, but, i only caught then on GG where i play, i didnt play at the other sites to catch then there as well unfortunatelly.

I agree there is a high possibility there are bots playing online, but from what I observed from original post, the OP just wrote list of potential bot nicknames and nothing else.

No data, no exact stats, not even a set of pictures of their hand histories.

I would be one of the last people to defend GG given the amount of bullshit that happens there, but...

When you look at a pool of say 1000+ players, you are going to find some that are playing very similar to each other, particularly when those are the stats that would be recommended through empirical or "GTO" analysis.

With that said, the 6 account selected I would say with > 90% certainty are the same bot profile or the same base bot profile with slight modifications to them like Bot v1.75, Bot v1.73, and Bot v1.82, etc.

People at 200nl generally study the same way so that already leads to similar stats
And often there is a group of players who are in the same coaching programme or in the same study group, therefore an even bigger chance their stats will look the same
That being said, Is a group of 6 players at 200nl with vpip ranging from 24.3 to 25.6, pfr ranging from 18.6 to 19.7 and 3bet ranging from 8.6 tot 9.1 that uncommon? I reckon i can find 6 closer in my midstakes pool (i dont play gg). Of course they are similar, but I think thats to be expected and the gap between the stats is too large to confidently claim they are 100% bots on that basis alone

Is there any way to check if they have played much against each other? On old PTR you could see hours of the day played and I remember a group of bots was caught because bot 1 played 1pm-5pm, than bot2 played 5pm-9pm etc etc

a little update guys, from the list of bots, these havent been playing for at least a wekk now, i think these maybe got banned :

type 1 : 13Stramina13 , 996Gambler , frukywka , LetMeLoveYou , Kharaa7 , KevalNA (all of then)

indefinite types : TaraRaiser , Jeniamo , GalizianStyle , leatherbutt

well, its something, but, unfortunatelly i already saw some new accounts showing up, that might be bots as well, they are creating more profiles, with different stats, lets wait an see if GG will implement the stuff i told then to, this would prevent new accounts to be profitable, well, thanks for the help for those who sent an email, we got rid of 10 accounts at least.

now slugant will say that its not uncommon for 10 accounts to get reported and then decide to stop playing at the same time, they arent bots, just decided to stop playing at the same time slugant hahaha.

Fwiw they didnt stop playing at the same time. Some havent been online in a couple of months, some last seen 8 days ago.

I said your evidence displayed was very thin. "they display bot stuff" is not really a great argument. And when making accusations you need to display irrefutable proof.
I still think so
I never said there werent any bots
And I questioned your claim that these are 100% the same bots as on 3 other sites because "friends told you so"
And I still find that questionable, especially since no action is being taken there even though its 100% the case.

If these were indeed bots and they were banned, I reckon you and other players will get a good compensation from GG like Stars always did?

If your hunches seem to be on I again urge you to also report the names of the same bots on the other sites. If you for some reason dont want to, please post the names of ignition/acr/ipoker bots here so others can report them.

Fernando was right about the bot wave before this one, and so far in your search of winning an argument you antagonized him. Those accounts were bots, theres irrefutable proof and he didnt wanna post it at first because of being worried about giving free info to botters.

You also know damn well gg will never refund **** because thats how theyve always been.

Instead of treating him like a guy who didnt took his meds, try to work with him to keep the environment safer from bots, everyone wins with that except boters.

I urged him to send his evidence to all sites where the bots played.. I would say thats encouraging to battle bots. Unfortunately he didnt want to.

There is also a huge difference between saying evidence displayed is thin with treating someone like they are off their meds

I dont play GG as i dont like the room
But according to OP they banned 50+ accounts he named as bots
How can GG get away with banning bots but never paying compensation?
Why do people remain loyal to such a scummy site?

My main point was about being sure about accusations.. And if often was said it was 100% accurate
Althought most accounts he named in the first post are indeed not active anymore players Serpanika & Oltarian are still playing today.
Are they still 100% bots on the urge to be banned? Hasnt GG recieved the irrefutable proof about them yet or didnt they find it irrefutable?

Very weird energy in here

Shitting on the OP over 4 pages when you don’t even play on GG is some crazy work

He on a mission to collect them posts, one way or another.

I have made a lot of volume on GG. Remaining active on a site on which does not actively battle bots even though people claim they are riddled with it and also doesnt give any compensation when they are banned/gone is even crazier work imo

What is your bar for "shitting on someone"? Asking how they are 100% sure they are bots is? Dont get me wrong its great that he catches the bots, its to admired that someone is actively doing something. So when the claim is made that this bot is active on 4 sites and I asked why only mail GG then.. thats shitting on someone? I think thats a very fair question. Apparently its shitting on OP just like asking why some named bots are banned while other remain active is?

And yea I still wonder about this, which is not even targeted at OP but at GG as a whole:

If id been playing against 50+ bots for a while, and they actually ban them, I expect the room to tell me and compensate me. I guess thats just shitting on GG though