Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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On top of this, there is definitely foreign actors in places like Pakistan, China and Russia manipulating the platforms, normally by pushing the most bigoted, disruptive and false viewpoints; in this case PokerEthics worldview.
That’s the thing…
I’ve kind of never understood the boogie man in the Middle East tactic since 2000.
Left and right social media (which I don’t use currently but am aware of their takes) are trending to agree on this issue.
But to act like this argument didn’t happen before social media is just revising history.
Remember the slogan “peace in the Middle East” this was the original free Palestine.
over a year ago, quite a few posters, including holmfries in particular, got extremely upset and tried to get me banned when I said that Israel was torturing and raping Palestinians to death. now its printed matter of factly in meanstream Western press.
it seems weird that Israel would willingly provide evidence of their atrocities on innocent civilians but they correctly understand that Western supporters wont believe it, Israelis will cheer it on, and Palestinians will be further terrorized by it.
over a year ago, quite a few posters, including holmfries in particular, got extremely upset and tried to get me banned when I said that Israel was torturing and raping Palestinians to death. now its printed matter of factly in meanstream Western press.
it seemsAll the "facts" are coming straight from the Gaza Health Ministry. It is all complete lying bullshit. Israel didn't provide evidence of atrocities. Hamas completely made it up, and their western sycophant supporters (Islamic and Western press) are the ones validating it by "reporting" the lies.
All the "facts" are coming straight from the Gaza Health Ministry. It is all complete lying bullshit. Israel didn't provide evidence of atrocities. Hamas completely made it up, and their western sycophant supporters (Islamic and Western press) are the ones validating it by "reporting" the lies.
it seems weird that Israel would willingly provide evidence of their atrocities on innocent civilians but they correctly understand that Western supporters wont believe it, Israelis will cheer it on, and Palestinians will be further terrorized by it.
I mean ya social media doesn’t really matter…But when x and Reddit both agree then you have a problem. The left and right are uniting on this issue. Again it’s not a good look for your side. Then again this is just another false paradigm. You don’t have to pick a side.You can just be anti genocide, apartheid, ethnostates etc… You or I don’t e
ya the far left and far right are uniting.... that's not a good side to be on my friend. people in the center are still overwhelmingly hoping for the destruction of hamas. They are just less vocal on reddit go read some normie subreddits like /worldnews you will see the view of normal people not extremists.
Far right people go to twitter and far left people go to reddit. these are not your average people
That’s the thing…I’ve kind of never understood the boogie man in the Middle East tactic since 2000. Left and right social media (which I don’t use currently but am aware of their takes) are trending to agree on this issue.But to act like this argument didn’t happen before social media is just revising history. Remember the slogan “peace in the Middle East” this was the original
lol cap you flamed me for having an opinion that would get downvoted. How would you know that if your not plugged into them. Its also just a weird thing for someone to say whos not terminally online
More people who are fact-based are speaking out:
[URL="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/22/jewish-notables-open-letter-un-sanction-israel"]Jewish figures across the globe call on UN and world leaders to sanction Israel
Exclusive: In an open letter, Israeli ex-officials, artists and intellectuals say ‘unconscionable’ actions in Gaza amount to genocide[/URL]
“We have not forgotten that so many of the laws, charters, and conventions established to safeguard and protect all human life were created in response to the Holocaust,” the signatories write. “Those safeguards have been relentlessly violated by Israel.”
Signatories include former speaker of the Israeli Knesset Avraham Burg, former Israeli peace negotiator Daniel Levy, British author Michael Rosen, Canadian author Naomi Klein, Oscar-winning film-maker Jonathan Glazer, US actor Wallace Shawn, Emmy winners Ilana Glazer and Hannah Einbinder, and Pulitzer prize winner Benjamin Moser.
just beause your jewish in this case rich American and Hollywood does not mean you get a bigger say on Israel. its not a theocracy its a secular state. Theres nothing special about being Jewish! see I don't just disagree with muslims I don't like the jewish religion either !
"former speaker of the Israeli Knesset Avraham Burg, former Israeli peace negotiator Daniel Levy, British author Michael Rosen, Canadian author Naomi Klein."
you only have so much time in a day your not gonna read dumb things about what celebrity's feel
lol cap you flamed me for having an opinion that would get downvoted. How would you know that if your not plugged into them. Its also just a weird thing for someone to say whos not terminally online
That’s the thing I delete all these social media apps and literally can’t get away from the 24/7 news cycle..
Take for example the nba/poker cheating story that broke yesterday… somehow without watching any media or going on any sites I still heard about the story from someone.
When you actively try to unplug from this you realize it’s not that easy.
Jared reminds me of the professor in Back to School.
Hegseth could be the Sam Kinison character.
Turkey will probably be excluded from the 5,000-strong stabilisation force that is to be set up inside Gaza after Israel made clear it did not want Turkish troops taking part.
Marco Rubio, the US secretary of state, said it was a requirement that Israel is comfortable with the nationality of the multinational force, set up to prevent a security vacuum when the massive task of reconstruction in Gaza starts. Turkey has said it is willing to offer troops, but Israel has let it be known that it disapproves of Turkish troops taking part in the force.
Tensions between Israel and Turkey have grown over Syria and the Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is seen by the Israeli government as too close to the Muslim Brotherhood and to Hamas itself. But the exclusion of Turkey from the stabilisation force would be controversial since it is one of the guarantors of the Trump 20-point ceasefire agreement, and is seen as one of the most capable Muslim armed forces.
Turkey will probably be excluded from the 5,000-strong stabilisation force that is to be set up inside Gaza after Israel made clear it did not want Turkish troops taking part.
--The way things are going it seems unlikely the stabilization force happens, at least as being imagined. Hamas isn't going anywhere in the half of the strip they control. Seems they will just rebrand themselves under a different name, Israel will refuse to withdraw from the half they control for this reason, and the real diplomatic fight will be whether the Muslim brotherhood axis of Turkey/Qatar will be able to put pressure through Trump to force Israel to leave and hand the whole strip to Hamas (probably under a different name).
And Europe and the US taxpayers will be paying for everything; while Hamas, Arab countries and Turkey get fat off the grift.
Remember when some people were saying 'once and for all'.
This is still just the beginning of the monstrous disaster netanyahu has orchestrated to save his own skin.
Remember when some people were saying 'once and for all'.
This is still just the beginning of the monstrous disaster netanyahu has orchestrated to save his own skin.
Well, before 10/7 Hamas had 20,000 rockets pointed at Israel (and Hezbollah had even more); that would have been able to do massive damage if coordinated in a strike with Iran. And Hamas had the capabilities and willingness to do a pretty serious invasion into southern Israel (which we know because it happened). And now most of these capabilities are gone.
This is only a disaster for people who are completely indifferent, or in many cases antagonistic, towards Israeli security; and other regional problems created by the Iran Axis of Resistance.
I dont think we can predict how things are going to play out in the long term, but in short term weakening the Iran axis has been a massive benefit to pretty much everyone else in the ME, including the US.
The last 2 years haven't been great for Jews in Europe, Canada and to a lesser extent the US; but with demographic changes these regions have an inevitable trajectory towards being hostile towards Jews. So the last 2 years just accelerated what was already inevitable. And if anything may have woken up native populations to how completely off the rails the multiculturalism project has gone.
That’s the thing I delete all these social media apps and literally can’t get away from the 24/7 news cycle..
Take for example the nba/poker cheating story that broke yesterday… somehow without watching any media or going on any sites I still heard about the story from someone.
When you actively try to unplug from this you realize it’s not that easy.
A poker player who hangs out on a poker forum. No idea how you could have heard about a big scandal involving poker.
Well, before 10/7 Hamas had 20,000 rockets pointed at Israel (and Hezbollah had even more); that would have been able to do massive damage if coordinated in a strike with Iran. And Hamas had the capabilities and willingness to do a pretty serious invasion into southern Israel (which we know because it happened). And now most of these capabilities are gone. This is only a dis
I agree no-one knows how it will play out. Including in the short term by any reasonable definition of short. Short term it's been monstrous.
Netanhyahu is very keen to avoid scrutiny over the 10/7. He failed to protect israel and most likely it was a staggeringly abyssal failure.
Israeli coalition lawmakers vote to topple state probe into October 7 failures
The vote tallied 4-6; those against the proposal for the commission of inquiry were all members of the coalition.
Well, before 10/7 Hamas had 20,000 rockets pointed at Israel (and Hezbollah had even more); that would have been able to do massive damage if coordinated in a strike with Iran. And Hamas had the capabilities and willingness to do a pretty serious invasion into southern Israel (which we know because it happened). And now most of these capabilities are gone. This is only a dis
Hamas and Hezbollah still exist and maintain control. and now the rest of the world hates Israel and views it as an illegitimate country full of child murdering psychopaths. you are right that it is tough to predict, but I think generations of people will hate Israel. they can try to murder and censor their way out of this, and it may work.
Hamas and Hezbollah still exist and maintain control. and now the rest of the world hates Israel and views it as an illegitimate country full of child murdering psychopaths. you are right that it is tough to predict, but I think generations of people will hate Israel. they can try to murder and censor their way out of this, and it may work.
Hezbollah and Hamas being severely weakened as far as offensive military capabilities but still have the ability to project power internally isn’t ideal, but isn’t the worst case scenario.
For the foreseeable future both groups will be focused on terrorizing the people of Lebanon and Gaza while they consolidate power, and will not be as disruptive to the rest of the region; especially Israel.
I will say Hamas (probably rebranded under a different name) actually has a better long term prognosis than hezbollah. As turkey and Qatar are becoming the new regional hegemons, and are aligned with Hamas but antagonistic towards Hezbolah.
