Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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You are a clown who has no real understanding of ME geopolitics. Ironically it is because like Bill Haywood you yourself are a white supremacist who doesn’t believe that Arabs are capable of having moral agency. So you have to project everything Arabs do as whites, especially Jews, pulling the strings.
Meanwhile, in the real world Turkey and Qatar are very active pushing Islamic brotherhood Islamist ideology on the whole world.
And Hamas as an offshoot of the MB is very much a political and ideological ally, which is why both these nations have been sponsoring Hamas for the last 20+ years. And why Hamas has a much better long term prognosis than Hezbolah who find themselves on the losing end of regional power shifts.
Qatar is home to the largest US air force base in the ME. Turkey sent Israel weapons and oil to be used to slaughter Palestinians.
and no, the Arabs in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria, and Jordan dont have very much agency. they are run by authoritarian vassal regimes of the Western Empire.
Victor has the mind of a child. You might as well be speaking geopolitics with a 10 year old. It’s a fruitless effort.
Victor has the mind of a child. You might as well be speaking geopolitics with a 10 year old. It’s a fruitless effort.
I kind of agree actually. Most 10 year olds understand that murdering children is bad. It takes the cognizant dissonance of a fully propagandized adult to support mass murder when it's the Jewish Supremacist Israel State doing the extermination.
DBF is a hollowed out shell of what might once, many years ago, have been human.
right, they love shooting children for fun.
Spoiler
and profit ofc
Qatar is home to the largest US air force base in the ME. Turkey sent Israel weapons and oil to be used to slaughter Palestinians.
and no, the Arabs in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria, and Jordan dont have very much agency. they are run by authoritarian vassal regimes of the Western Empire.
Whatever the various alliance and interests have been, the Arab states are reacting to the a new much stronger idea that israel only understands force and will do whatever someone like netanyahu feels is in their best interest however much it flouts international law/norms. This can play out in many ways but israel will wake up one day to neighbors it can't bully with impunity.
Who are the Israeli soldiers accused of killing 6 year old Hind Rajab?
You can see on the video this sort of totally deprived way that some of these IDF soldiers act. So this is why even reporting from Israel is showing us not only this but many other things showing how this war in Gaza is unparalleled in terms of civilian casualties and the heinous actions of the IDF.
Broken YouTube LinkWhatever the various alliance and interests have been, the Arab states are reacting to the a new much stronger idea that israel only understands force and will do whatever someone like netanyahu feels is in their best interest however much it flouts international law/norms. This can play out in many ways but israel will wake up one day to neighbors it can't bully with impunity.
What "force" used against Israel resulted in a positive outcome? Seems to be the opposite lesson. That "force" is futile, which is why they are undermining Israel diplomatically through influence peddling operations and social media propaganda operations in the West.
It's not about positive. Countries respond to the fact of israel doing anythign it likes when it can get away with it. When it's all about force then the forces adjust.
'Positive' is not a word I associate with what netanyahu has done.
We are going to find out if the tail wags the dog.
Annexing the West Bank is central to Netanyahu's platform, but Trump forbids it,
right after the Knesset voted for it.
But the hardest U.S. reaction came from Trump himself, who said in an interview with Time magazine that Israel’s annexation of the West Bank “will not happen because I gave my word to the Arab countries,” adding that “Israel would lose all of its support from the United States if that happened.”
This is a laboratory test of whether the strategic needs of the American empire are stronger than the Israel lobby.
Empire will win, annexation will continue to be de facto rather than de jure.
(And don't you just love it when Trump just blurts out the truth sometimes?)
We are going to find out if the tail wags the dog.
Annexing the West Bank is central to Netanyahu's platform, but Trump forbids it,
Refusing to give Israel the parts of the West Bank that are completely integrated with Israel and vast majority Israeli/Jewish just assures there will never be Palestinian state. The PA has made it clear Jews will not be allowed in their (imaginary) future state. And they are the so called moderates. It was one thing to ethnically cleanse 5,000 Jews from Gaza. But in the West Bank we are talking about hundreds of thousands of people. Not feasible at all.
So not letting Israel annex the parts it has built up into major Israeli cities just assures the status quo remains. Which in truth is perfectly fine with Arabs. A Palestinian state exists mainly in the Western imagination and nowhere else. For everyone else it is just a talking point to extract money, influence and moral leverage from the West.
lol is that your token jew speaking for all jews and it’s not even a jew but a comic strip?
Refusing to give Israel the parts of the West Bank that are completely integrated with Israel and vast majority Israeli/Jewish just assures there will never be Palestinian state. The PA has made it clear Jews will not be allowed in their (imaginary) future state. And they are the so called moderates. It was one thing to ethnically cleanse 5,000 Jews from Gaza. But in the We
There’s no reason for the PA to say they will give up contested parts of the West Bank until there is an actual negotiation for a state/autonomy. I’m not understanding why you think they would be willing to give up that bargaining chip for nothing at all, especially since the people trying to push even further into the West Bank aren’t exactly willing to stop pushing Palestinians out of Area C and potentially just want to take over the whole thing. That’s not some pro-Palestinian conspiracy theory either.
I assume Trump is attempting to refer to annexing the entirety of the West Bank and not simply the parts of it that are occupied by hundreds of thousands of Israeli settlers. He may not even be referring to Area C at all.
lol is that your token jew speaking for all jews and it’s not even a jew but a comic strip?There’s no reason for the PA to say they will give up contested parts of the West Bank until there is an actual negotiation for a state/autonomy. I’m not understanding why you think they would be willing to give up that bargaining chip for nothing at all, especially sinc
Israel’s position since Camp David has always been everything is up for negotiation, but the longer the PA refuses to make a deal, the less leverage they are going to have and the worse the deal is going to be for them. Because Israel is going to slowly keep developing and integrating the West Bank in irreversible ways.
The Arab position is insisting on the 1967 armistice lines: which is a complete nonstarter, as hundreds of thousands of Israelis live on the other side, and Israel insists those borders don’t meet their security needs.
And I don’t see either Israel or Arabs changing their non starter positions as I don’t Think anyone really want a Palestinian state anyways; or even thinks it would be anything but a Syria/Lebabon level failure.
They just want to use this issue to extract more and more leverage from the West and create more and more discord in western societies. And suck the west dry by financially supporting Palestinians.
I don’t think Trump really cares one way or another. And I doubt he has a clear idea what he even means. He just has to make statements like this to appease his Arab business partners.
lol is that your token jew speaking for all jews and it’s not even a jew but a comic strip?
No you clown, it was a tweet from a Rabbi.
Non-Jews critical of Israel are invariably called antisemitic. Jews who criticize Israel you dismiss as tokens. Voila, there is no legitimate criticism of Israel.
Non-Jews critical of Israel are invariably called antisemitic. Jews who criticize Israel you dismiss as tokens. Voila, there is no legitimate criticism of Israel.
truly the only legitimate criticism of Israel comes from Palestinians (and other Arabs) anyway.
The only reason a Jew saying they are a Jew speaking for all Jews is posted is to tokenize them. Truly the anti-zionist side would never post a Jew speaking for all Jews otherwise, unless it was to criticize them for doing so.
The only reason a Jew saying they are a Jew speaking for all Jews is posted is to tokenize them. Truly the anti-zionist side would never post a Jew speaking for all Jews otherwise, unless it was to criticize them for doing so.
I think the bolded is probably a misstatement in that you mean that jal was tokenizing this Jewish person and not that they were tokenizing themselves.. but I get your point.
however, if the anti-Zionist side would "post a Jew speaking for all Jews otherwise" ie using the genocidal language of Israeli media and politicians and social media, then they would face a ban. only the pro-Israeli side can act as if Israel represents all or most Jews or even that it is considered an integral part of modern Jewishness.
