GTO+/CardRunnersEV?
GTO+/CardRunnersEV?
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GTO+/CardRunnersEV?

This is the support thread for CardRunnersEV, which is hand EV analysis software.

16 March 2008 at 05:11 PM
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Due to the holidays, I'm currently tied up with personal obligations.
Please let me get back on the most recent posts tomorrow.


by Mates. m

I believe I've requested this feature before. Piosover has the ability to analyze frequencies by hand group through different runouts (you can customize stats)You mentioned to me previously that it wasn't possible... my question is, why not?If this could also be aligned with the Aggregate Database reports (let's say all KXX boards, for exmple how often players bet with A-highs

This approach isn’t feasible, since different turn runouts yield distinct sets of statistics. For instance, if the flop is ThTd9h, the resulting stats will vary significantly depending on whether the turn is a Tc or an Ah. These differences are too pronounced to simply aggregate the data, especially considering that each turn runout has unique properties. As a result, we cannot simply combine the statistics as they appear in the program.

The only viable alternative would be to provide a different type of general-purpose statistic. However, this would require users to learn new terminology and understand that these metrics differ in meaning from all other statistics currently used in the program.



by Mates. m

Is it possible, after applying incentives to all turns, to recalculate them all at once, even knowing the wait time is high? Something similar to what works on the river from the Agg report.
Also, it would be great if, once we apply incentives and recalculate, it update the runouts with the new frequencies. This is essential.
Thanks in advance!

The recalculation would require roughly the same amount of time as a regular flop calculation. Also, it would be yet another function that a user would need to be aware of, realize how it works, how it differs from a regular calculation, etc. So it’s probably best to just recalculate the entire tree.


by DeuceOTR m

Hi scylla, is it possible to add an ability to sort the main table by the attribute we looking for? for exmaple when I look for combos and the matrix has very low represntation of combos I want to check which combo has the biggest weight in the range but the table is always sorted by equity. Same goes for EV, when I want to examine which combo has the biggest EV it's not comfor

I recall this being rather tricky, but I’ll note your request and see if we can make it work this time.


Hello Scylla,
In the trainer we have the very convenient functionality to display our hand vs. range equity. This is super useful for training equity estimations.
It would be great if we could also display on the other side of the cards the %EV.
Unless I miss an easy way to check it quickly, for now it seems a little difficult to get this number: need to go outside of the trainer, search for our exact combo, check the number, go back to the trainer... Thank you


by Zarathoustra m

Hello Scylla, In the trainer we have the very convenient functionality to display our hand vs. range equity. This is super useful for training equity estimations.It would be great if we could also display on the other side of the cards the %EV.Unless I miss an easy way to check it quickly, for now it seems a little difficult to get this number: need to go outside of the trainer

Ok, I'll make a note for us to also add some way of also displaying EV/EV%/EqR.


I have to give you your flowers: I haven’t used GTO+ for a while and it is so simple and easy to modify trees as well as create subsets. All for a great price as well!

Much love and respect πŸ˜€



Add shortcut keys like:

F = Fold
C= Call
Customizables like:

"X"=B1/R1
"Y"=B2 /R2
"Z"=B3/R3

Thanks!


by Mates. m

Add shortcut keys like:F = FoldC= CallCustomizables like:"X"=B1/R1"Y"=B2 /R2"Z"=B3/R3Thanks!

Ok, I have made a note of your request.


Hi scylla,
is it possible to make a mild cosmetic change in the matrix and add a transparent background to the text in the matrix for them to be more clear? for example when I have input like this it makes things very hard to read:


But if there could be a background to highlight the text inside the matrix it would be much more convenient, for example:


as you can see the text of the matrix are also white for active and grey for inactive but when they have this transparent background behind them they are readble no matter what the action color is.

Thanks!


We expect to release a small fix in the near future, so I’ll see if we can include this.
We will most likely offer customization options for text display under "Customize".



Hi,scylla,
Exporting multiple flops only gives tree summaries.
Is there a way to export the full hand table (like single-flop export) for multiple flops in one go?
If not, any workaround?
Thanks.


by katu m

Hi, scylla,
Exporting multiple flops only gives tree summaries.
Is there a way to export the full hand table (like single-flop export) for multiple flops in one go?
If not, any workaround?
Thanks.

At the moment this is not available, but I'll make a note of your request, and we'll check if this is something that we can include.


Longtime lurker, first time poster. Love GTO+, fantastic software. I have noticed though since I downloaded the v188 beta that it will crash randomly when I have the EV filter on with the new pot share/EQR feature enabled.


Ok, thank you for pointing this out. We will try to reproduce this later today and release a fix. If possible, please also send any savefile to support where this happens for you - just in case we can't reproduce this issue.


by scylla m

Ok, thank you for pointing this out. We will try to reproduce this later today and release a fix. If possible, please also send any savefile to support where this happens for you - just in case we can't reproduce this issue.

I have been able reproduce the issue again simply by either scrolling up and down the main table on the left or scrolling back and forth in the hand class bars. Do I send the file to the contact page on the GTO+ site? Is there a specific email?


by The Invislibe Hand m
by scylla m

Ok, thank you for pointing this out. We will try to reproduce this later today and release a fix. If possible, please also send any savefile to support where this happens for you - just in case we can't reproduce this issue.

I have been able reproduce the issue again simply by either scrolling up and down the main table on the left or scrolling back and forth in the hand class b

We haven’t been able to reproduce the issue so far, so a savefile would be greatly appreciated. Please send us a message through our contact form, and we’ll let you know where to send the file. Alternatively, you can share a link via OneDrive or another upload platform. You can find our contact form here: www.gtoplus.com/contact

Thank you in advance.


Hi Scylla,

Is it somehow possible now to filter out small pocket pairs seperately (not just in the weak pair catergory with other low pairs)?


by Lorryb m

Hi Scylla,
Is it somehow possible now to filter out small pocket pairs seperately (not just in the weak pair catergory with other low pairs)?

We don’t currently offer this feature, but I will make a note of your request for future reference.


by scylla m

We don't currently offer this feature, but I will make a note of your request for future reference.

Thanks a lot!



Could we add reports similar to those in DB mode, showing the frequency of turn and river nodes?

For example, in this specific tree, I'd like to know how my strategy would look in terms of frequency for all the runouts that occur on the flop line: X-cbet-raise-call T: X-X R: % st.


Here an example on DB mode

Note about "filtering runouts"

Don't you think it would be ideal to be able to set separate runout filters for flops, turns, and rivers to see the rare lines?

From what I understand, the frequency that gets "cut off" is the one that occurs least often in the node, starting from the flop.

My problem is that when I want to apply it to the turn or river in isolation, I can't use the filters correctly because it takes the frequency from the beginning of the node and not the relative frequency of the street we're on.

It's hard to explain, but I think the ideal would be to cut off/filter the lines that occur very rarely on the flop and be able to do the same, but in isolation, for the turn and river.


by Mates. m

Could we add reports similar to those in DB mode, showing the frequency of turn and river nodes?For example, in this specific tree, I'd like to know how my strategy would look in terms of frequency for all the runouts that occur on the flop line: X-cbet-raise-call T: X-X R: % st. Here an example on DB modeNote about "filtering runouts"Don't you think it would be ideal to be a

If the tree was solved with β€œExtensive” storage, then the river frequency data is available. So technically, we could display it. I’m just not sure how much programming effort would be involved. It might be a straightforward change, but it could also require weeks of coding. In any case, I’ll make a note for us to look into it.

Regarding filtering: In a turn report, all lines start from the same base frequency (i.e., the frequency of reaching the turn). So one possible approach would be to display that base frequency for all lines, and optionally offer a way to β€œnormalize” or correct for it. Technically this is probably not too difficult, but adding another frequency value and an extra toggle may be confusing for many users. Personally, if I saw a similar option in another program, I’d probably hesitate because it’s not immediately obvious what it changes. The current approach seems more straightforward to interpret to me.



Scy thanks for the update.

Its possible do the same back shadow for turn - river agg reports?



by Mates. m

Scy thanks for the update.Its possible do the same back shadow for turn - river agg reports?

Yes, we were bound to have missed some other spots where this would also be helpful.
I will make a note for v190.


by scylla m

Yes, we were bound to have missed some other spots where this would also be helpful.
I will make a note for v190.

I would add the shadow to the range compare OOP vs IP grids as well

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