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I don't what he was doing in his free time, but he joined the predecessor to Vice not long after he graduated from college.

But as to your general point, I'm fully prepared to believe that, even before he became a public figure, he was the same sort of ******* that he seems to be now.

have i made a single post in that thread? why would i give a hoot what some deranged incels who are such little bishes as yourself that they pretend to be someone else think about some niche internet personality

jfc man, idk what happened to you, but whatever car crash or drugs did this to you i wouldn't wish on anyone

can't imagine how narrow minded and ignorant someone would have to be to imagine that just because a thread of it exists on a forum where there's tens of thousands of threads that anyone who posts on the forum at all must reading them all

tomorrow i'm going to quiz you on some games of werewolf which took place a decade ago and you didn't play in because surely you read it and kept well informed of how the game went down - jfc man, it's incredibly difficult to believe you could be this stupid

yeah as stated, i didn't know who was in that video other than tate

but my point stands - the only thing ever said about him in this thread are vague generalities of "he's an evil nazi" and the only evidence of that is that i presume he was one of the people having fun in that video

i stand by that if you actually want to critique someone for their political views, it's best not to focus on the music they dance to but what they've actually said or done on the topic

again, i'm not disputing any of the claims of him being a nazi, i have no basis for doing so, but if anyone i knew irl was trying to tell me someone who would be coming over later that night was a hateful nazi and when i asked how they knew this they showed me that video i would appropriately laugh in their faces

can you imagine a prosecutor giving a closing argument in a murder trial where he doesn't talk about the evidence nor the weapon nor motives and lack of ability but just said "and your honor, we all know he was dancing to kanye a month prior to his arrest"

I have no idea what you're talking about here

rick,

I'm not talking about all the crazy **** that Nick Fuentes has said and done in the past because everyone here (except for you, apparently) already knows all that stuff. It isn't disputed. You taking three minutes to read his Wikipedia page seems like a better use of our collective time than me taking an hour to write his biography into a 2+2 post.

see you're conflating culture with politics, you cower like a bish not because you're a liberal, but because of your personality and culture of being a bish

Must be the drugs idk

roc, i’m not talking about fuentes’ merits at all - nor do i dispute the accusations against him

the problem is the way critique works here. everything gets flattened into “evil nazi racist” and by extension all trump voters are painted the same. it’s lazy and divorced from reality

this sort of extreme, zero nuance mindset is exactly what makes the left look ridiculous. people see it and opt for another insane but culturally adjacent option like trump rather than get caught up in everyone-is-a-nazi outrage

this was a bunch of people dancing, why not focus on what they are saying? you can find liberals dancing to that kanye song all over the country, you can not find liberals saying they support hitler all over the country - does nobody here understand that gap?

it's far easier to get behind a party of "maybe the immigrants are the problem" which is what trump offers rather than "it's a grand conspiracy and we're all surrounded by nazis and you probably need to be re-educated yourself to unlearn all the bad things you think and do"

this laziness of critiques which lack merit and context is exactly the sort of thing that undermines the left and why we got 4 more years of trump

Yeah man, blaming others has always been easier than self reflection. Nobody said Democrats want the easiest path

You shouldn't be arguing for the easiest path to failure as the superior political option. Nobody should. But again, that is kind of the point we've been making for a long time now.

Then to call out laziness in the same post. Dare I say, you are wildly out of touch

You're painting in very broad strokes with the use of everything with what we're currently speaking to. Evil Nazi racist is hardly hyperbolic as you make it seem here. The dramatization of which you speak is not really warranted coming from someone who is as happy to throw stones as they are reactive when receiving them

Like I'm pretty happily taking everything on the chin here while you claim that everyone unjustly singles you out

or we go super internal gestapo and find the enemy within - that's clearly a winning political strategy

Honestly, I think you are the one being lazy here, rick, because you are the one who is failing to take context into account and insisting that we interpret videos as if we were raised by wolves. If you are singing a racist or antisemitic song while you are voluntarily hanging out with Andrew Tate and Nick Fuentes, you surely know that your behavior is not going to be interpreted as ironic. It is not reasonable for you to expect your actions to be intepreted in the same way as the actions of the Jewish guys in the bowling alley. The guys in the bowling alley may deserve the benefit of the doubt. The guys hugging it out with Andrew Tate and Nick Fuentes do not.

no... you specifically target me

believe it or not we used to interact a bit back in the day - was paranoid about being hacked so never used a real email and this was back before password managers so whenever i didn't post for a month i'd forget my username or password and start over, the only reason why this rick one stuck was that was that i had finally adopted a password manager (have no idea what my old account names were as they were usually made on the fly and abandoned within weeks or months)

then ever since covid you seemingly only offer zero calorie insults directed towards me = there were threads were your only existence was showing up to send insults my way such as the trans thread which was where this first started

you seem really insecure and frankly quite dumb - which has really recalibrated my thoughts towards you because i used to find you very insightful and analytical but now you just shoot from the hip with drive by insults and then pretend to not be who you are when called out

like you genuinely couldn't understand what i was saying last night - nobody else has had any problems with that - and given what you accomplished a decade ago and my memories of interacting with you during that time, i can't help but assume you had some sort of head injury or drank yourself into a stupor during covid because i can't possibly imagine these two people being the same person

it's not about this video - you're focusing on a red herring - it's about everything in general

i even specified that given those people were hanging out with andrew tate it probably was a situation where a cigar was not just a cigar - but we can still do better than "omg they are dancing" and instead focus on what they actually say or do

again, if you think i'm being unreasonable, then what is your counter to why centrist americans have been able to stomach trump?

is a majority of the voting public evil racists because that appears to be the consensus for why anyone would ever support him

or is it something else that could push people to choose between two extremes - one where you are a bad person that needs reform and to unlearn the things you have learned or where "hey it's because of the immigrants"

like we have people who are so polarized into good vs evil ideology that they can't comprehend that east coast liberals who voted and went door to door for kamala dance to the same song - run into that enough during your life and you'll think "anything but empowering whatever these people think"

I am not talking about everything in general. I'm not sure why you think I am focusing on a red herring. You were the one who said that people were reading too much into the video. Or at least that's what I thought you were saying when you made the comment about hipsters and the Jewish guys in the bowling alley.

yes, my point is if you want to critique tate or fuentes do it based on the substance of what they say - not based on "omgaul they dance to kanye"

I think you constantly take the most extreme version of liberals that you see on the internet and act like they represent the democrats and then handwave the actual elected right wing nationalists as not representing the republicans and I’m flabbergasted by the gymnastics it takes to consistently think that way as everyone calls you out for it repeatedly

I've refuted nothing in your reality. It's not a red herring. Self professed Nazis who are politically adjacent and hold a lot of influence to largely younger people (in turn influencing their politics) singing this song is something that's important to call out. You lacked the curiosity that you're asking of anyone to have on whatever you're talking about and completely dismissed the video without knowing the contents or context of the video. You are the one not focusing on what people are actually saying and doing

That is communicating a message. It is building acceptance of Nazis doing Nazi thing in public

For someone who is admittedly not a Nazi and likes doing those things within a non-nazi context, you should also want to call out this behavior

The video is the perfect encapsulation of modern politics

They are simultaneously;

1. Trolling anyone who is mad
2. In on the joke with anyone not mad
3. Signaling to their racist followers
4. Ironically enjoying the song on a night out

If you think any one of these, the others think you are an idiot, and will likely defend their position as the one single truth

They are all political commentators with history and reputations for being anti semitic. It isn't that hard to sus out what they are doing.

you can’t seriously think that people who have unironically praised hitler and denied the holocaust get to sing the heil hitler song. Fuentes said Hitler was cool on the Pierce Morgan show like a month ago. You’re living under a rock and then expecting everyone else to operate as if they were under your rock as well.