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12 October 2020 at 08:13 AM
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by rickroll m
by Doorbread m

If I were engaging someone for the first time I'm sure I'd engage differently. I still think you're a miserable person and a Nazi apologist. You actually did it again somewhere within the last few pages. The apologist thing. The miserable person thing oozes through most of what you write

you’d manage to find misery even in celery

My misery effectively stops and starts within a small circle. The internet / people who are close to me outside my privileged bubble. None of these things affect my day to day as you've said I have and continue to be a winner at the highest stakes of poker. I took a few years off of poker and have fallen back into the game to travel and play live super high rollers. It's a 10/10 life for me personally

I don't have to care about any of these things. It likely doesn't do much for my short term happiness. I just have a fear of becoming someone like you. I have so much exposure to people like you who just don't hear things and the thought is really terrifying


People like you genuinely really bother me and I hope that societal norms readjust at some point to make people like you less come

Edit: to relay it to what we’re talking about. I think the right / red pill crowd is a shameless breeding ground for these types of people. Think it’s important to call it out as something we shouldn’t aspire to


Relaying this back to poker, I think I saw in some high stakes rail thread once you were questioning a hand that someone like Llinus played and some people who actually win at poker tried to explain things to you but you kinda just refused to hear them. So there's like a winning reg backing the play of an undisputed top 5 poker player and you just saw the world in your way. I guess that would translate to a lot of things for you


by Doorbread m

Relaying this back to poker, I think I saw in some high stakes rail thread once you were questioning a hand that someone like Llinus played and some people who actually win at poker tried to explain things to you but you kinda just refused to hear them. So there's like a winning reg backing the play of an undisputed top 5 poker player and you just saw the world in your way. I g

wtf are you going on about? you're going to have to show receipts on that - i almost never post in those threads and find it incredibly hard to believe that i would argue against any strat done by linus et al

i'm also not some rando your tone implies, i've spent a few years after college playing live poker in asia for a living - took a break, and then 14 years ago went back into gambling for a living full time because i wanted to travel the world and do interesting things that weren't possible back then before the digital nomad/work from home thing became a thing

i've never sought nor played on a stake, even actively used to stake people here, and have been living comfortably off my earnings - allowing me to travel the world and live wherever i wanted - i remember reading about your fear of going outside and thinking how sad that was because i couldn't imagine my life without the travel and mobility i have and am glad you were able to shake that off and make true progress towards a healthy and happy life

this is also why i don't respect you anymore - you go from pretending like we don't know each other to suddenly fabricating all this backstory about me

you're also talking out of your ass, the main reason that i regularly attribute to my success is my willingness and openness to self critique, to finding flaws in my games, biases in my strategy, and fixing those holes - as you know as well having done this yourself, there's no way any of that could have been sustainable over the long term if i were rigid in my system and refused to make adjustments


Im sure I could find the post, I wont go through the effort.

I’m sure you can exhibit these characteristics when incentives align with your desires. It doesn’t speak to your ability to do so or make you anything extraordinary. It’s a very baseline set of skills that most people will have

There’s plenty of examples in the last few pages of you not being able to do those things when incentives aren’t aligned

I could find another example of you being a nazi apologist with minimal effort if you’d like. It’s more on topic as well

Edit: I’d bet on the posts existence if you care that much about me mischaracterising you and I would then be happy to go through the trouble. It’s not important to me otherwise


talking about outcomes aligning, you of all people know a bet on that is idiotic for the simple reason that interpretation is subjective

out of curiosity i searched and found nothing but praise for linus

i did find a thread that i suspect you are probably referencing, and if you actually look at it you will see i never claimed to know the answer. i asked a simple question: why call instead of raise and a bunch of people chirped in with "OMG YOU IDIOT" type of responses you can expect from that thread. at no point was i arguing against the play, nor even implying it was a bad one, i asked why he did something because i would have taken a different line. i was doing the opposite of what you’re accusing me of. asking because i didn’t understand the line and wanted to learn more - even knowing i was putting myself up to getting trolled and ridiculed by doing so

i’m also perfectly happy to risk looking stupid or getting embarrassed in order to push dialogue and learn. especially in a forum that is often hostile and more than willing to attack people for asking basic questions. that doesn’t bother me, because the point is understanding the game better, not posturing

that is literally how learning works, and as you know, sometimes the player themselves even answers when a line is rare or interesting - i've spoken to a number of top regs over the years and learned a lot simply by being willing to discuss these things and then receive discussion in the form of dms with colman and polk to having guys berrisweet answer questions i ask itt - some of the stuff colman felt comfortable dming me about but not posting publicly really changed the way i began looking at the game

i have never claimed to know anything. if you look through my strat posts you’ll regularly see me telling people to stay open minded and not assume they have it all figured out

and very on point, about an hour before your post i reminded another poster of exactly that point



so no, this isn’t rigidity or refusal to hear others. it’s the opposite. your read here is just wrong, and it looks driven more by your political lens than by what i’ve actually written

and yes, this is a good time to review your own biases and consider the incentives that align with your treatment of me

and yes, in all three gambling fields i pursued i reached the highest heights - none were plo, mtts, nor online poker so our paths only crossed here in political chit chat and the occasional strat thread


by coordi m

You can look at it the other way, and say it is all because progressives insisted on having boys play girl sports.


Rick knowing that you’ve read the thread I’d happily bet that you’ve mischaracterised what happened in it and I’m happy to apologise and pay a $ tax for doing so if I am wrong

You’re essentially doomscrolling for me and frankly I’m embarrassed at this point to be engaging with you for this long. It’s exhausting at this point


by rickroll m

wtf are you going on about? you're going to have to show receipts on that - i almost never post in those threads and find it incredibly hard to believe that i would argue against any strat done by linus et ali'm also not some rando your tone implies, i've spent a few years after college playing live poker in asia for a living - took a break, and then 14 years ago went back into

And the award for Poster with the Least Ability to Self Reflect goes to…….Dickroll, for the fifth straight year!


by Dunyain m

You can look at it the other way, and say it is all because progressives insisted on having boys play girl sports.

you chucklewagons always forget the number and try to make it a nationwide epidemic when it's actually a so-****ing-what statistic


I dunno what all the rickamaroll is about


This is perhaps the most exhausting sub-topic I've ever waded through.

Just thought I'd mention it.


by coordi m

I dunno what all the rickamaroll is about

lol 😀

by Doorbread m

Rick knowing that you've read the thread I'd happily bet that you've mischaracterised what happened in it and I'm happy to apologise and pay a $ tax for doing so if I am wrong

You're essentially doomscrolling for me and frankly I'm embarrassed at this point to be engaging with you for this long. It's exhausting at this point

yeah feel the same and i'm happy to let this go by as well, no need to send me money, but i would appreciate an apology for your mischaracterization, even if it comes in the form of a dm or an unspoken donation to the human fund

i think the thread you're looking for is in the jan 2024 thread


I said if I was wrong, I’m not conceding that I am. I’m done interacting with you in this way but I’m happy to bet on this if you’d like to


I disagree with rick’s characterizations but I don’t think it rises to the level of nazi apologia. It’s really just silliness over anything else. Calling Nick Fuentes and co singing the Heil Hitler song from the Bobby Fischer level crazy celebrity antisemite disgusting nazi crap is just about the worst example of “this is why people hate the left” that I could think of.

Like have we really gone this far with the anti-SJW concern trolling?


by Doorbread m

I said if I was wrong, I'm not conceding that I am. I'm done interacting with you in this way but I'm happy to bet on this if you'd like to

yes, i know. and again, if i thought this was settled or that you were conceding anything, i wouldn’t have pointed you to the thread i think you’re referencing, because there would be no need

i mentioned it specifically because this is still unresolved, and because you seem convinced of something that doesn’t line up with what’s actually in the thread

this is kind of the core issue here. you keep reading what you want to read through your own lens rather than what i’m actually writing which is self evident if you managed to bother paying attention to the content of the message rather than the hate you have for the author - you're too smart to be this dumb so it's clearly a personal filtering bias

by checkraisdraw m

I disagree with rick’s characterizations but I don’t think it rises to the level of nazi apologia. It’s really just silliness over anything else. Calling Nick Fuentes and co singing the Heil Hitler song from the Bobby Fischer level crazy celebrity antisemite disgusting nazi crap is just about the worst example of “this is why people hate the left”

ty, and fwiw i only saw/recognized tate and he was the only person named

my initial read of it was "oh there's that guy who gives super cringe dating advice to incels dancing to kanye" not "oh there's an admitted neo-nazi dancing to heil hitler - nothing to see there"

i thought i was pretty clear in that distinction and appreciate you recognizing that


Honestly you not recognizing Fuentes, Sneako, and Clavicular is a level of peace that I strive for.

I also think it’s true that most people consuming the heil hitler song are probably looking at it like a freakshow, not a genuine statement of principle. Still a pretty terrible idea to do that. I admit I find the whole concept bizarre in a “life is stranger than fiction” way, but giving cover to actual holocaust deniers is a bad precedent to set as a society.

Maybe in 50 years we can look back at the heil hitler song in befuddled amusement like we do with blackface vaudville shows, but even there it’s already risky to make too much light of real hatred.


by coordi m

That is such a dishonest tweet. Voters overwhelmingly said their number issue in 2024 was the economy/inflation. It is valid to say that Trump has disappointed voters on the economy since being back in office, but it is completely dishonest to say that trans people in sports was any kind of election changing issue.


I am familiar with all those influencers. I would say the Tate brothers are easily the LEAST antisemitic of all of them. They already stated they had nothing to do with playing that song, and all indications are that is the case.

Two of the influencers, Sneako and Myron Gaines, are popular social media influencers who regularly engage in anti Jewish content and Holocaust denail. It is basically their brand. They regularly play that song on their shows while giving Sig Heil's. That video was nothing out of the ordinary for either of them.

One of them, Sneako, announced he is now on a Miami nightclub blacklist, so presumably he was the one behind the playlist decision (along with employees of the nightclub that have been announced to be fired).


by Doorbread m

Edit: I'd bet on the posts existence if you care that much about me mischaracterising you and I would then be happy to go through the trouble. It's not important to me otherwise

How much do you want to bet? I know nothing of this backstory and maybe it's true, maybe it's not. But I'm kind of interested in paying you for your efforts if you're right, and receiving $ to a charity of my choice if no such post(s) exist.


by checkraisdraw m

I also think it’s true that most people consuming the heil hitler song are probably looking at it like a freakshow, not a genuine statement of principle. Still a pretty terrible idea to do that. I admit I find the whole concept bizarre in a “life is stranger than fiction” way, but giving cover to actual holocaust deniers is a bad precedent to set as a society.

this also accurately describes my views on the trans issue in sports

i feel that trans woman competing in high level women's sports is a terrible thing that undermines the entire reason we carved out a separate space for them to compete within

how our protection of women's sports is why we're so dominant on an international level, not because we're better athletes but because far more women have access and feel welcome to play than they would if they were raised in other countries

but i'm very uncomfortable with the fact that it gives cover to those who agree with me on that issue, but not due to competitive advantage but rather out of hatred

you'll notice that i almost never agreed with nor even got along the people who demonstrated that and caught permas in that thread and really didn't like whenever they'd like and expand upon something i wrote as if we were allies

same reason why those buddies who i bowled with were smart enough to understand the problems with that song and wouldn't blast it on the subway on the way to the lanes but rather wait until surrounded by fellow league members who would properly understand the context and know it was just for the lols


I’ll dm you


by rickroll m

same reason why those buddies who i bowled with were smart enough to understand the problems with that song and wouldn't blast it on the subway on the way to the lanes but rather wait until surrounded by fellow league members who would properly understand the context and know it was just for the lols

Do your buddies host popular video podcasts regularly engaging in Jewish conspiracy theories and Holocaust denial. And regularly give Sig Heils while doing so? If they did, would you still think it was just for the lols, or would you think there was perhaps a more pernicious motive?

Actually pernicious might not even be the right word. As I said, performative antisemitism is basically the main brand of half the people on that car. So they were providing regular content for their audience.


by checkraisdraw m

Honestly you not recognizing Fuentes, Sneako, and Clavicular is a level of peace that I strive for.I also think it’s true that most people consuming the heil hitler song are probably looking at it like a freakshow, not a genuine statement of principle. Still a pretty terrible idea to do that. I admit I find the whole concept bizarre in a “life is stranger than ficti

Until I [strike]wasted precious time perusing this thread[/strike] ventured into this delightful thread, I had never heard of either Sneako or Clavicular. I was of course familiar with Fuentes and Tate.


by rickroll m

this also accurately describes my views on the trans issue in sportsi feel that trans woman competing in high level women's sports is a terrible thing that undermines the entire reason we carved out a separate space for them to compete withinhow our protection of women's sports is why we're so dominant on an international level, not because we're better athletes but because far

I question how anyone can imagine that women now having to go through the process of proving they are “real” women to play sports in any way benefits women as a class. Or does it actually do the exact opposite.

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