If you lived in Minneapolis, and an ICE agent demand ID.....

philosoraptor sez: communism is when fascist kleptocracy ???

Almost as stupid as being unarmed when people are being kidnapped off of the streets. But not quite.

Hmmmm... I wonder what it could be. 😉

Neither term completely fits, my point was, when you have a government taking shares of key sectors, it gets closer to communism, than not.

thanks for embodying my point, appreciate it

A phone could easily be mistaken for a gun. Is it a stupid fxxking decision to bring a cell phone to a protest?

There are drunk drivers on the roads. Is it a stupid fxxking decision to drive on the road?

You don't need to be a dk, seriously.

And you're not being clever. If you disagree, just explain why.

My point was pretty clear and accurate. If you want to call it Kleptocracy instead, fine... but there's no proof of that yet.

OMG go the **** away. The Constitution has been amended.

I did notice that part of the Carney speech too

Jon Stewart got you covered here. All cued up to about 15m in:

My guess is ICE doesn't even approach a guy with an AR-15, let alone roust him for proof of citizenship. They know better that while they might be able to kill him, he'll go down spraying enough to take out at least one of them and cripple a couple more.

[QUOTE=wiki]A communist state, also known as a Marxist–Leninist state, is a form of government that combines the state leadership of a communist party, Marxist–Leninist political philosophy, and an official commitment to the construction of a communist society. Modern communism broadly grew out of the socialist movement in 19th-century Europe as a program to replace capitalism with a stateless, classless, and moneyless society, but its application as Marxism–Leninism began later in the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin.

[...] In accordance with Marx's theory of the state, communists believe all state formations are under the control of a ruling class. Communist states are no different, and the ruling communist party is defined as the vanguard party of the most class conscious section of the working classes, particularly the proletariat but sometimes including the peasantry, such as under its Maoist formulation. Communist states usually affirm that the working class is the state's ruling class and that the most class-conscious workers lead the state through the communist party, establishing the dictatorship of the proletariat as its class system and, by extension, the socialist state, which will eventually wither away into a communist society free of oppressions.[/QUOTE]

to state the obvious, orangeman isn't seizing the means of production on behalf of and for the benefit of the workers. he's looting the country for himself and his mega-rich friends. usa#1 never has been and probably never will be anything remotely resembling communism, unfortunately. i'm sure many will never stop hyperventilating and self-owning over the very thought of it though.

an amazing thing to say

If Charlie Kirk just stays home he never gets shot

Yeah. I articulate it as that person is either 1) a dude who still thinks he's in Fallujah, or 2) a Call of Duty poser cosplaying as a dude who thinks he's in Fallujah.

I'm not disagreeing.

I thought my initial comment was pretty obviously tongue and cheek, as I was trying to point out, somewhat hyperbolically, that we went from 0% equity stake in public companies, to stake in 11 companies. I wasn't saying America is becoming communist under Trump. I just thought it was funny how if you told me 20 years ago, conservatives would be ok w/ the state buying stake in public companies, I would have said you're fkn nuts.

This incredible healthcare actually wasn’t so. It was for his loyalists and his inner circle, the hospitals were overcrowded because they had so many slaves worked to their death for their elites. Obv no healthcare for the 10 million or so they purposefully killed to stay in business or for the workers gave up on. That part was an incredible accomplishment, I guess.

The dude handed out some of the worst working conditions for the people in all of human history under the coveted system that was pretended to be aimed to protecting said people.

But like seriously, rank the top 3 most awesome things under Stalin for the people - which was what that whole idiotic system was supposed to be about. Was it the healthcare, the labor, the space flights, life expectancy? Really, what was it?

“Liberals don’t like communism” is not the own that far leftists think it is

They are publically traded companies. And if the government owns them all, what would that be?

I was making a joke. Apparently a bad one.

Seems like people in military gear carrying assault rifles making you nervous doesn't need a lot of articulation.

Not to take away from MN but ICE got into the Phoenix area hard yesterday. 15 different Zipps Sports Bar locations got hit.

This is depressing. Does this also protect the agents from not having to worry about breaking people's 4th amendment rights on the street?

Anyone can own shares, you, me the government. The government is only buying a small minority stake and doesn’t control anything. It’s Apple’s choice whether to sell a majority stake, which they wouldn’t do, and the government can’t override that. The govt is essentially just getting piece of the action for themselves, which helps the company.

So in the past 48 hours I’ve had:

-My dad, an immigrant naturalized in 87 who has always either voted R or not at all, call me to tell me that he as fedexing me my original birth certificate and that I should carry it on me at all times, and that he has begun wearing his passport in one of those travel bags whenever he goes out.

-My in-laws, both immigrants naturalized in 95, make me come over for a sit down in which they made me promise to take care of their daughter if anything happens to them.

-Gotten an “incident report” from my older kids kindergarten that he tackled a classmate and punched him repeatedly because the other kid kept calling him “illegal” and so he is suspended.

None of us live anywhere near where any of the craziest stuff is happening. This **** is really poisoning the country in a terrible way and makes me very sad.

So I guess the answer is yes - I would carry citizenship documentation because it might make some kind of difference on some level.

Enlightening.

And if the government owns all the equity in all companies, what would that be?

That was the whole point of my joke. We went from having zero equity in private companies, and conservatives that talked about the separation of state and private industry since I can remember, to buying up chunks of stock in 11 major companies.

I was making a point, that has now flown over two people's heads. But it's been fun drowning on about this.