Sklansky thread
why was it closed?
what mod closed it and why ?
2+2 protecting women beaters and suspected nonce cases
He claimed he has genius level IQ because he beat the games during the poker boom so yes he thinks he's a poker genius like Phil Galfond. Reality is many uncreative ABC nits were able to beat the games during the poker boom which he vehemently denies because it'll burst his bubble
He's been in live poker for like 30-40 years so of course he "gets it" more than most poker pros
He claimed to have a high IQ (i really don't give 2 shits about that.) He did not claim you needed a high IQ to beat poker games in 2005.
Limon saying him and Galfond both make money through poker through other sources than just winnings at the table is true. That's not him saying he's anywhere near PG level at poker.
It doesn't take 30 years to "get it'. It takes having common sense, understanding why bad players play and understanding live poker at the end of the day is just a soft hustle and another form of AP gambling.
Way too many pros are super book smart with zero street smarts. It's not an accomplishment to be better at a game that you're trying hard to win at than someone who is just ****ing around and playing for fun. It's just an embarrassment if you're not better than them.
Thats correct, that is my definition/opinion. I would call that semi-professional, which is defined as "receiving payment for an activity but not relying entirely on it for a living" so that would fit perfectly with what you are saying
But you said this:
Or just to quote a dictionary, the meaning of professional is "engaged in a specified activity as one's main paid occupation rather than as a pastime."
So if my "main paid occupation" (e.g. 50%+ earned from poker), according to the above definition I would be considered a professional. It also seems to satisfy your above definition of "semi-professional", that is semi-professionals can also be professionals. (and vice-versa)
Your next question:
But could you clarify this
Based on other posts you made in this thread you apparently do not qualify income earned by a poker player from sources derived from playing poker, such as endorsements, rebates,, etc. That seems fair to me, but I believe that all of the income derived being a poker player should be included to determine "professional" status. For example, a professional golfer who makes virtually zero from PGA Tour prize money, but instead makes more through product endorsements as it relates to being a PGA Tour golfer still qualifies one as a professional golfer, assuming that the aggregate income is substantial for that person to sustain a desired quality of life. As you may know PGA Tour golfers earn money from PIP (Player Impact Program), which is unrelated to prize money earnings.
If you want to qualify your definition with "money earned while at the table or earned through tournament prizes" that would be fine, although I don't think most people would define a professional poker player as such. That is, there are several poker players typically labeled as "professional players" whom I doubt make much at the table through tournament earnings, but make money through derivative income that gives them professional poker player status. For example, a poker player may be a break-even or slightly above water at the tables, but due to the stakes that person plays for generates significant interest for endorsements. There are other such examples as well.
But this is all covered by my initial statement "professional player" means different things to different people.
Not sure why this got locked. Can a mod clarify the reason Transparency would help.
a few posts up before seeing this, i was saying to myself how has this tangent not been moved to the off-topic thread or been deleted. dozens of posts have nothing to do with Sklansky and this is literally titled "Sklansky thread".
a few posts up before seeing this, i was saying to myself how has this tangent not been moved to the off-topic thread or been deleted. dozens of posts have nothing to do with Sklansky and this is literally titled "Sklansky thread".
Well you can only beat a dead horse I mean old nit so much.
My regret is spending so much time playing poker during the boom. I would have made more money if i spent that time improving my IQ and getting it up to the level needed to take down NFTs for fat stacks.
I once met Ed Thorpe in the early 90s when I was card counting a lot. I cant imagine telling him the reason he won so much counting cards was because he had it easy and if i could go back to the 60s I would crush. He would have looked at me like I was a mongoloid. Of course I would have also took the time to tell him he couldn't beat the tougher BJ games of the 90s and the fact he became ridiculously wealthy as a hedge fund manager was all luck. lolololololol. I was just a dummy who took the time to pick the brain of a certified genius and living legend of quantitative analysis.
I once met Ed Thorpe in the early 90s when I was card counting a lot. I cant imagine telling him the reason he won so much counting cards was because he had it easy and if i could go back to the 60s I would crush. He would have looked at me like I was a mongoloid. Of course I would have also took the time to tell him he couldn't beat the tougher BJ games of the 90s and the fact
Ed Thorp is 93 years old. I saw an interview with him from a year or two ago and he is still off the charts brilliant. I can't even imagine him in his prime.
We're all mongoloids compared to him.
yeah limon!!!
I've played with many former top dogs during the 2010's and watched them start struggling to beat the games because the new wave of aggressive young players were running them over. They were middle aged old nits with zero creativity who could not adapt to the new environment. They weren't dumb but they they were probably in the 110 IQ range and were stuck in their ways. They we
Buddy, you are for some reason talking when you should be listening. Limon is a stone legend who has forgotten more about poker and money management than you’ll ever know. Do yourself a favor, stop arguing and start paying attention. If you want a good place to start, go spend a couple of days reading the thread he started like fifteen years ago that is perhaps the single most influential collection of writings in the history of this place.
Well, whatever the fk these mods have been doing is weird af. They deleted or edited some of my posts to misrepresent what I said. Apparently they did the same to Melons posts and then let him re edit or re insert replies retroactively changing the whole sequence of posts. Talk about information control.
Anywhoo I appreciate some of Melons replies of clarification. He clearly cares a lot about his image and will have mods alter or delete posts to maintain it.
I've seen some posts get edited or deleted as well (not my own) and I dont really understand why.
They werent obscene or anything. And if they were banned because they are not related to the thread title you should just delete the last 4 pages all together.
Now the discussion isnt really a fair read because people are replying to posts that are edited or deleted afterwards and it doesnt read the same way now.
I've seen some posts get edited or deleted as well (not my own) and I dont really understand why.They werent obscene or anything. And if they were banned because they are not related to the thread title you should just delete the last 4 pages all together.Now the discussion isnt really a fair read because people are replying to posts that are edited or deleted afterwards and it
at one point it seemed the sklansky stuff was sort of being washed maybe because a lot of it was slanderous. so it seems they should be happy with the derail. i personally have a bot mod attached to me which deletes like half of my posts for no discernible reason and then i have to ask real life mods to waste time reinstating them.
Let’s face it, this whole site is a slow-moving sinking of the Titanic. Kudos to previous owners for seeing the truth and cashing out when they could.
I probably had a role is starting this hijack by saying Mason was never a top player or anything close to that. He may have been a grinder who has been busy with his business for the last 25 years. What he did with the publishing business and this forum is incredible, even if both are in bad shape now.
As far as low and mid stakes games before the poker boom, they were almost all limit poker. Most everything was no limit before the 1950s or so. However, the casinos and the fish liked limit. At no limit, you can get stacked really quickly if you don't know what you are doing. At limit, you can play really badly and fold way to little preflop and postflop and lose slowly with some winning sessions. So easy for tight grinders to beat the game just by playing solidly. You can sort of do similarly with low to mid stakes no limit now, but being a tight grinder was easier with limit poker.
I probably had a role is starting this hijack by saying Mason was never a top player or anything close to that. He may have been a grinder who has been busy with his business for the last 25 years. What he did with the publishing business and this forum is incredible, even if both are in bad shape now.As far as low and mid stakes games before the poker boom, they were almost al
I disagree with this, before the boom the games were nearly all limit but the good games were often stud as well a LHE, the variance in these games and the bankroll required are much higher than NLHE because your edge is so much smaller in Limit, the "downswings" last significantly longer if you layer being overly tight/scared and predictable on top of what is already a thin edge (especially in stud) the chances you'll you broke without a bankroll of thousands of big blinds becomes significant and almost no one at that time knew this (except people like mason and david) so super tight/scared players were always underrolled and going broke. All of the tightest players i remember from that time lived hand to mouth and eventually went out like "broomcorns uncle".
I disagree with this, before the boom the games were nearly all limit but the good games were often stud as well a LHE, the variance in these games and the bankroll required are much higher than NLHE because your edge is so much smaller in Limit, the "downswings" last significantly longer if you layer being overly tight/scared and predictable on top of what is already a thin ed
At higher stakes that may have been true. At low to mid stakes, you could just play solidly against people playing way too loose and beat the games fairly consistently.
Deuce, you’ve already shown you know nothing about the Golden Age of midstakes LHE, when the Mirage was the center of the poker universe, so why are you still lecturing about it, never mind giving history lessons about the 1950s and what the casino owners wanted to do when they opened the first poker rooms in Vegas?
I know what low to mid stakes games were like when I played them in the early 2000s. Games were mostly NL in the old old days, but almost all limit in the 1990s. I know that without being 100 yo.
In the "Cincinnati Kid" they showed a high stakes game in the 1930s, which was NL 5 card stud. I think Wild Bill Hickock was playing NL 5 card draw when he was shot by a fish he had won money from. Doyle and Johnny Moss were playing NLHE in Texas in the 1950s.
I post things which are obviously true and get attacked ITT, like when the hijack started because I said Mason was never a top player.
In the "Cincinnati Kid" they showed a high stakes game in the 1930s, which was NL 5 card stud. I think Wild Bill Hickock was playing NL 5 card draw when he was shot by a fish he had won money from. Doyle and Johnny Moss were playing NLHE in Texas in the 1950s.I post things which are obviously true and get attacked ITT, like when the hijack started because I said Mason was never
The Cincinnati Kid.
Rounders shows players dealing the cards in NYC clubs in the mid ‘90s. Is that historically accurate?
You were chastised for saying you didn’t think Mason ever tried to beat medium stakes, nothing else.
the games used to all be 5 card stud
and in the future will be 5 card stud again
