USA Goes to War Against Iran
Time for a dedicated thread to the war.
How long will it last and what will be the probable outcome?
Crazy how so many people have said the same yet the Dunyain's of the world will try very hard to have you believe otherwise.
Shouldn't you be on Reddit with the rest of the bots Dunyain? Not sure it makes sense to work as hard as you are to try and change the minds of 10? maybe 11 people on this forum.
That guy is a groyper. What is happening is that under Trump a lot of groypers gained way too much influence in the Republican Party, and now the establishment is starting to push back and clean house. Expect much more of this.
That guy is a groyper. What is happening is that under Trump a lot of groypers gained way too much influence in the Republican Party, and now the establishment is starting to push back and clean house. Expect much more of this.
I think this is a good analysis, I would guess they are showing themselves out because they found out Trump and the Religious Right loooooove Israel to pieces and that's not what they signed up for.
That guy is a groyper. What is happening is that under Trump a lot of groypers gained way too much influence in the Republican Party, and now the establishment is starting to push back and clean house. Expect much more of this.
This guy does indeed seem like someone who should not be working in government (for reasons unrelated to his apparent opposition to the Iran war), but what makes you think he was forced to resign by "the establishment?"
CN would be proud of this response.
More like looking at a stack of carefully-folded clean laundry. 😀
I'll leave it at that.
I don't believe for a second that anyone is 100% asexual. So, which clean stack of laundry do you prefer looking at - shirts or pants?
In November '24 I didn't think at the time I was voting for WWIII. Oh well.
#Armageddon
Ya boy said, "I do believe I'll have the honor of taking Cuba" yesterday.
Everyone knew this is who this dude is. He is the person with the least Christ-like qualities and when you give a dude like that great power with no restraints in place, this is what you get.
You need to own that you voted for the Fourth Reich and would happily do so again if it meant the alternative is a black female running the country.
This guy does indeed seem like someone who should not be working in government (for reasons unrelated to his apparent opposition to the Iran war), but what makes you think he was forced to resign by "the establishment?"
I am not arguing he was “forced” out per se. although there is some semantics going on as far as exactly what that even means.
I am not even arguing he is directionally incorrect. It is true Trump ran on a platform appealing to xenophobia and conspiracy theories that attracted a lot of groypers, and isn’t really following that platform. And now they are jumping ship.
My personal biases are that groypers and what they stand for suck. So I am perfectly ok with this.
I don't think it's relevant he's a groyper if that label is used to determine he's simply not worth listening to.
Yesterday he was the Director of the United States National Counterterrorism Center but today after coming out and confirming what most believed to be true. That Iran was not a threat to the USA, he is a ''groyper'' and was forced to resign. Seems a bit too convenient no?
Imagine the effect this is having on Iran's tourist industry.
As if that's not bad enough and leaving aside the loss of oil revenue from not being able to sell their oil, the majority of Iran's food and other essential goods come through the Straight.
Iran isn't at all like Ukraine. Remove their massive internal security forces overnight and the regime is removed overnight. Iran was ripe for revolution before or irrespective of what's going on now.
I am not arguing he was “forced” out per se. although there is some semantics going on as far as exactly what that even means. I am not even arguing he is directionally incorrect. It is true Trump ran on a platform appealing to xenophobia and conspiracy theories that attracted a lot of groypers, and isn’t really following that platform. And now they are
As I said, I'm fine with having this guy out of government based on his entire body of work, especially his open courting of white supremacists when he ran for Congress in 2022. I have a hard time believing that guys like this do or say anything in the political arena for reasons of true principle. And for that reason, I'm fine with ignoring his views on most anything, including the Iran war. (Needless to say, there are plenty of critics of the Iran war who don't have this guy's track record.)
But it's jarring to hear you argue that we should ignore the message because of the background of the messenger. Weren't you the guy who told us we should focus on all of Richard Hanania's great ideas and ignore his "past" life as an open white supremacist on VDARE?
groyper or not, Kent is just saying the same things about Israel causing this war as were published in many mainstream outlets and said out loud by people like Rubio and Murphy.
In case anyone questions whether Trump's war is succeeding, I give you exhibit A:
friendly reminder north america gets zero oil from the gulf of hormuz (look at its location on a map americanos). It only affects the global price but it will effect North America way less. This means they will probably bully everyone into helping them because they need it way more. for example the united states has very few mine sweeping boats. but other country's do that need
U.S. Navy Independence class Littoral Combat Ships (LCS) USS Tulsa and USS Santa Barbara, which are configured for minesweeping duties, have appeared in port in Malaysia. Both of these ships were last known to be forward-deployed in the Middle East
Mostly to keep them out of harms way.... I think. But I really don't see much going on in the Straight shipping wise until Iran agrees to a ceasefire or their missle program is effectively wiped out. As to the latter, Iran's underground "missile cities" are designed to withstand heavy airstrikes, but their security against elite ground special forces is a significant vulnerability. So I expect to see 'boots' on the ground ìn that sense before we'd attempt to open the Straight up.
And as I expected, y'all would make excuses for bringing boots on the ground because [insert your important reason for why it's different this time] when it was 100% always going to happen as it always does.
In other news, China is positioning to take Taiwan, and North Korea launched 10 missiles to let South Korea know he's sending his love.
I suppose that's what happens when you have $1 million interceptors that can't take down a $50K drone and China and North Korea notice you're weak and spread too thinly.
https://understandingwar.org/research/mi...
Anti-regime media also published footage on March 12 that shows a US Navy F/A-18 Hornet engaging targets with its auto cannon at extremely low altitude in Chabahar, Sistan and Baluchistan Province, which is on the Iranian coast on the Gulf of Oman.[51] The combined force jet’s ability to conduct such an attack at low altitude suggests that the combined force has severely suppressed or destroyed local Iranian anti-air capabilities, including anti-aircraft guns, and man-portable air-defense systems (MANPADS) that could presumably return fire on a jet at low altitude.[52] Local air dominance would enable US aircraft operating over the coast to engage drones and anti-ship cruise missiles at low altitudes to protect shipping if ordered to do so.
antisemitic: "going to war for Israel is bad"
not antisemitic: "going to war for Israel is good"
And as I expected, y'all would make excuses for bringing boots on the ground because [insert your important reason for why it's different this time] when it was 100% always going to happen as it always does.
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Me: Looks like the war is heating up and that's going to increase GHG emissions.
You: And as I expected, y'all would make excuses for global warming and the extinction of the human race.
Me: Looks like the war is heating up and that's going to increase GHG emissions.
You: And as I expected, y'all would make excuses for global warming and the extinction of the human race.
Me: There will be boots on the ground
You: Nah, this is different
Me: John Candy sure.gif
You: Oh, hey, they might need to put boots on the ground to get out of this unique spot
Me: Just like always
You: You see the shadow my straw man is casting?
As I said, I'm fine with having this guy out of government based on his entire body of work, especially his open courting of white supremacists when he ran for Congress in 2022. I have a hard time believing that guys like this do or say anything in the political arena for reasons of true principle. And for that reason, I'm fine with ignoring his views on most anything, includ
I am not arguing against this person based solely on their background. I am reading the letter he wrote today, (which basically just blames the tricky Joos for the Iraq and Iran war while providing neither Trump or Bush with any agency in their own decisions) with his extremely disturbing background as context; and giving my opinion him not being a national security advisor is probably a good thing.
If you have information I am missing why you think he should be a nations security advisor, let me know what it is. Maybe it will change my mind.
I subscribe to Richard Hananias Substack and have read most of the material he has written the last few years. My opinion of him is based on this, while being aware of his past and accepting his explanation why he isn’t that person anymore.
FWIW, despite having a favorable opinion of him, I don’t think Richard Hanania should be a national security advisor either.
groyper or not, Kent is just saying the same things about Israel causing this war as were published in many mainstream outlets and said out loud by people like Rubio and Murphy.
I thought you were the opinion the US was the great Satan, and this shouldn’t be pinned on Israel/jews as scapegoats.
Have you had a change of heart?
no, I dont subscribe to that particular view put out by the mainstream press and Kent etc. I just was pointing out that no one cried antisemitism when Rubio Murphy and the NYT blamed it on Israel.
but also, I dont particularly care if the country turns against Israel.
