USA Goes to War Against Iran

There is an interesting dynamic playing out. The Western world is becoming increasingly anti semitic and anti Israel. When Israel used to be the victim and the under dog the liberals supported them. Now that Israel has become a super power they no longer qualify for liberal compassion. They no longer check the liberal box of being the victim. In the East Israel is gaining respect even among Muslim nations. They are now feared which is prompting other nations to gain favor with them.

Yes. IF there was a ground invasion it would probably just be to capture limited areas of the coast to "secure the Strait." Because of the way the mountainous terrain leading to the coast works, with only narrow passes; IF they captured a few strategic points with total air superiority a few thousands marines could theoretically hold off the IRGC's "million man army."

That being said, there is no indication there is any political will for this, so kind of a moot point.

And yes, right now during mobilization in most of Iran's major cities Basij are patrolling the streets day and night in jeeps mounted with machine guns (with the occasional wanton murder) to make sure there is no civil disobedience. If there is loss of control by the IRGC, it will come later after the fighting has died and everyone goes home as the country continues its inexorable economic and cultural decline.

Edit: I see you already mentioned a lot of this in a post I didn't originally see. We move on.

A lot of this is just the world becoming more Third World. Third Worlders, especially from Muslim countries, have always been anti Semitic and illiberal. Due to demographic shifts there is just a lot more of them now relative to Westerners. And obviously even within Western nations this demographic trend is happening too, in many cases even more dramatically.

Much of the increasing dysfunction and illiberalness in the world right now can really be boiled down to demographic shifts.

I'm not suggesting 'good idea' comes into the picture but I take your point and do mean troops on ground in some more limited fashion.

It's not based on anything except that when trump says you have ten days then you better expect him to do something to you before the ten days are up, Trump thinks that is being smart.

My post wasn’t necessarily referring to Uganda. Countries of all faiths are starting to befriend the Israelies. The fact that many Muslim nations are as well is big news. This has been a very disappointing last few years for the anti semites.

Also, please attack the post not the poster. Thank you.

This is a weird way of saying global support for Israel has been declining significantly. Support for Israel in your own country is at a historic low. According to Dunyain it's because of all the Muslims in the US. Interesting take both of you have, if only reality supported them.

--There is actually a geopolitical argument the straight staying closed actually BENEFITS the US geopolitically vis-a-vis China. Even with some ships trickling through, China is being hit hard on energy. And their economy is extremely reliant on other nations buying exports, which everyone else has started doing less due to rising prices and economic crunch.

--Of course this also affects our "allies," some of whom have demonstrated to actually be allies, and others not so much. I think wrt Spain we have enough of a sample size to see they should be removed from any US led alliances, including NATO, and be treated like Russia and Iran.

Not just Muslims. But especially Muslims. Most non whites are more antisemetic and illiberal than westerners. Demographics is destiny.

In your nation, antisemitism and rising illiberal values are in large part due to Muslims.

The world is becoming less educated. Kids these days are on their devices all day long. They get their world news from TikTok. They are more drugged up than ever before. They are more easily influenced than ever before.

No doubt there are once proud countries that are turning into third world cess pools. ItÂ’s pretty scary. This is why the civilized world should be giving thanks to what Israel and the US are doing.

Lol.

Lol.

The very news Israel is trying very hard to control.

Global support for Israel is declining for two reasons. 1) Israel is getting stronger. 2) The world is getting dumber.

You're ignoring the current account surplus. The fact is that if the Yuan tanks, the Chinese can stabilize it by selling from their massive reserves of foreign bonds. The US has no ability to do this, and is thus in a far more precarious position.

Imagine where Japan would be today if they did yield curve control (i.e. buying their own long term bonds) and didn't have the ability to sell treasuries to keep the yen from tanking. The US can delay the inevitable with its reserve currency status, but it can only defy the laws of economics for so long.

I read this article once in a publication called Modern Drunkard about getting drunk in Iran and it made it seem like it wasn't all that bad of a place. Can't find a link for it now.

But I don't have a IRCG fetish. My posts here are just repeating the analysis that I've consumed about the war and the dynamics that are taking place and I'm being proven to be correct.

https://drunkard.com/06_06_inebriated_in... ok found it

I suspect Sharia Law doesn't play well with most Brits.

"Hey, guise, if you don't want to get into long-drawn-out entanglements 6500 miles away that will kill a bunch of Americans and raise the US debt to $50 trillion, you're a liberal and racist against that country."

You're not talking in terms of economics proper. You're talking in terms of Modern Monetary Theory, which has as much to do with the actual economy (Gross Domestic "Product") as math does to physics.

People don't eat bonds and money. Or just because housing prices double doesn't mean the food supply for the termites living in them doubles too. That's their balance sheet problem. In other words while our GDPs are close, China has 4-5 times more termites reliant on their house for sustenance than we do. And as I mentioned, our per capita GDP dwarfs theirs. Or put another way: if AI and robotics never happened, it would just mean less growth for the US economy compared to a complete implosion of China's economy.

I never really had you pegged as a fiscal conservative stressed about the debt. The Iran debacle is a terrible move, but the debt is going to $50 trillion and beyond whether or not attacking Iran happened.

Neither party has the stomach to meaningfully tackle that issue.

That may be, but republicans are historically far far worse. AINEC.

[QUOTE=ISW]An IRGC cultural official told state media that the IRGC has lowered the minimum recruitment age to 12].[27] This decision follows reports that the IRGC is facing difficulties with recruiting new personnel and managing broader operational disruptions. The official said that the IRGC is recruiting individuals to support patrols, checkpoints, and logistics.[28] Unspecified informed sources told anti-regime media on March 12 that IRGC efforts to mobilize reserve forces failed because many individuals did not report to military centers.[29] CTP-ISW assessed on March 19 that Israeli strikes on Iranian internal security forces, including decapitation strikes, have likely caused shock and confusion within the internal security apparatus and disrupted operations to some extent.[30][/QUOTE]
To what extent and where is the question. It's really hard to get info, but the regime losing control of one city, where we could prevent reinforcements from coming, could serve as a catalyst for more.

If you actually look into it global support for Israel is only declining among the uneducated plebs. People with power and capital are still bullish on Israel and their population’s capabilities.

Spurning Israel will lead the US to future irrelevancy on the global stage.

Kill as many IRGC commanders as they can and destroy as much military infrastructure as they can. Israel has clearly been war gaming for a conflict with Iran for decades.

So, I know the good ole usa doesn't have an endgame at all, but what is Israel's? Just obliterate Iran? Doesn't seem possible.

Im not sure how they may be worse other than they are supposed to be the party of fiscal responsibility

Trump ran up a 8.18 trillion deficit in his first term while Joe Biden ran up 7.99 Trillion. Who know were Trumps second term number will be . Neither party wants to address the social programs that will go broke soon

Since we’re in this mess it seems the only way to retain our position in the Middle East is to commit to this war, which is not something that there is a stomach for domestically, either through popular or political will.

They want to thread the needle on that by maintaining US presence through an international coalition of European powers, but our promises are not worth the paper they are written on anymore and that’s directly causal from Trump crapping on international institutions.

The Israelis have to hope that whoever comes into office next is fine with the subterfuge and backroom dealings that lots of the public are tired of hearing about, if only in passing.

Who cares? They’ve obliterated a ton of IRGC commanders and military infrastructure with no losses.