President Donald Trump

So let me just make sure we understand each other

1. Gerrymandering has never been a secret, and literally before this year has never been subject to popular vote of the state it’s been proposed and instead has been torpedoed by demand of the executive branch
2. Cali and Virginia both voted to gerrymander as private citizens who made a conscious choice (btw I 100% voted to gerrymander with 0 shame in my game)
3. Republicans are big time mad that people hate them and are crying foul claiming Dems are hypocrites cuz stupid people are stupid and don’t need much to believe them

We good?

Enough of MAGA is turning on trump that this is a conversation that warrants discussion

Ironically kalshi has Dems at 50/50 to take the senate being the company trump jr and trump sr has a personal vested interest in. No matter what trump says every living human being knows how expensive **** is, and every maga knows the iran war in combination with affordability is a massive failure. It’ll be curious to watch how Vance approaches the next year, cuz operating on this existing level of sheer stupidity, trump being impeached by Dems and convicted so ppl have an offramp on rhis insanity and ushering in president Vance is quite plausible

We good.

If Dems end up with 51 seats in the senate, only 16 GOP (<33%) would be required to successfully impeach Trump. That's doable.

Given some momentum, I strongly believe nearly 100% conviction is possible in the senate. Enough of those people hate him and are just toeing the line that as soon as that line starts to crumble, the whole damn thing could easily tumble.

how sad will this guy be when like 5 Dems cross party lines to keep him in office?

What's up?

If it was a big deal when Trump said it, then how come no Republicans in Congress condemned it? If it was a big deal, then how come every Democrat voted to stop gerrying and every Republican voted to not stop it?

You can't have your cake and eat it too, tardy.

Because politicians are self-serving losers.

We aren't talking about them though, we're talking about the hypocritical threadtards.

The cake is tasty.

When I said no one said chit, I was talking about actual lawmakers; you know, because they actually have the power to change things and now they're crying.

But sure, if you want to whine about posters because of needle dick syndrome, then okay. The response to that is once the Dems voted it down and they tasted a mouthful of ass, they decided to resort to the same tactics.

If the shoe were on the other foot, I wouldn't expect any different from Pubs. And before you respond with more crying, you should know that I'm not a Democrat.

Impeachment and conviction are blurred concepts in the minds of a lot of low info voters. Also, who knows why he says a lot of things that he says.

impeachment might be Vance's only shot at the oval

Thiel & co are probably stirring the gop pot atm

The funny part is Democrats had a much eaiser time gerrymandering now because republican states like Texas already had partisan districts. There really wasn't much to gain. And even just with a standard margin against the incumbent party would not have been enough to give the republicans the house. But good luck explaining something that "complicated" to Trump.

I don't know who wins in a gerrymandering contest, but it isn't the voters.

I realize it is a cycle of acts and responses, but the net outcome if the trend continues will just be a political system even harder to change for you guys than it is today.

They probably don’t know what 2/3 is anyway.

Unsurprising but dismaying.

Because of the phenomenon that I mentioned earlier, I suspect that the only potential way to eliminate gerrymandering by federal statute would be to include anti-gerrymandering provisions in an omnibus reform bill that was perceived to help one party in the immediate term in some ways and the other party in the immediate term in other ways. I am imagining an omnibus bill that contained:

--judicially enforceable anti-gerrymandering provisions
--Meaningful sustained funding and outreach to get IDs for legal residents who don't currently have an ID
--Mandatory voter ID requirements
--Meet in the middle on voting by mail. Just spitballing, but you could vote by mail if you were currently located outside the state where you are a registered voter (e.g., military), over age X, on disability, etc. You can't vote by mail just because you feel like it.
--Polls for all federal elections are open for three consecutive days, two of which are weekend days.
--No release of election results in a particular state until precincts that accounted for 90% of the votes in the state in the most recent election have reported.
--Full voting rights for convicted felons

I don't love all of those things, and the devil would be in the details, but if I were a legislator, I could get on board with this sort of bill.

Because of the widespread ignorance and gullibility of the American public, releasing election results as they trickle in by precinct has become very corrosive.

DUMB **** MAGATS: "YOU KNOW WHAT HE MEANS!!!!!1"
VIKTOR: "DEMOCRATS DID MATH FOR GENOCIDE!!!!"

Trump sniffing around at The Falklands now.

Real desperate to get some kind of a win (over the 3.5k people and 1.2m penguins)

Ok, I admit I am premature in saying he is "done" ending DEI/racism. Obviously both DEI and racism are way down since he took office, but I don't think we will ever be done trying to get rid of racism.

I think you could argue that there has been a massive long-term trend of racism going down in America for over 100 years, but it is worth noting that prior to trump's 2nd term we had for the first time in 100+ years a 4 year window where racism increased and trump has been super aggressive in reducing racism so he deserves credit for reducing it beyond what we can reasonably assume another president would have.

diebitter, you may be taken more serious as a poster if you mix in some actual thought into a discussion instead of going straight personal attacks.

What would those provisions be? I agree this is an issue, but I don't see a way to legislate our way out of it on a federal level.

let’s say you get rid of gerrymandering on a federal level, and a state level. what stops cities to just divide themselves in a partisan way, or expand their incorporation outward to include more rural areas? or to incorporate within a municipality creating pockets of more conservative or progressive?

gerrymandering is a symptom of increased partisanship/racism, not a cause in itself imo.

You really are delusional. Ice is running around detaining people solely because they are brown.

He said it with the STRAIGHTEST OF FACES.