President Donald Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
Come on, it's not like Secret Service agents assigned to protect JFK were out getting shitfaced in the early morning hours of November 22, 1963. Oh, wait...
Well yeah. The secret service completely rebuilt the protection detail and made huge changes in their standards after the Kennedy assassination. And my argument was sort of presupposing/speculating Trump’s protection is worse. Obviously none of us are really in a position to know.
there are none.
Well yeah. The secret service completely rebuilt the protection detail and made huge changes in their standards after the Kennedy assassination. And my argument was sort of presupposing/speculating Trump’s protection is worse. Obviously none of us are really in a position to know.
yes i'm sure sweeping reforms from checks notes... 62 years ago... is going to have dramatic impact on today's secret service routines
I dont remember ever saying that they all support genocide. you should post a quote if you are going to make such a strong accusation.
but yes, at this point in time supporting Israel is akin to supporting genocide.
so if it’s coextensive then it’s a logical inference and I don’t have to provide a quote because you are stipulating that you affirm the belief
It’s a pretty common sentiment in extreme rural, low performing cultures.
I was asking for a rationale, not a description of where the belief is most prevalent.
just noticed how rich it is that even here i felt the need to still signal i wasn't that soft... that i used to drink beer and still would if it didn't make me violently ill
amazing how simple things from childhood can last with you for your lifetime
Yes, and more broadly, I think it is deeply unhealthy for a society to internalize that masculinity is somehow in tension with being educated.
We are wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too ****ing late for a come to Jesus moment on that front
i grew up in an area where i was only one of a handful of white collar children, was regularly called a f@g because my dad didn't change his own oil, wholly ignoring that if their fathers had magical genies they'd never change their own oil either - even once they gain enough wealth to be able to afford to pay someone else to do that for them, they still have their identity tied to it, so even parents who themselves took their car to the mechanic for an oil change were sure to change their own oil at least once as a teaching moment for their kids so they grew up right as real men
i distinctly remember getting into an argument with my father over not teaching me how to change my own oil because even though i grew up the white collar son of educators, the inundation of hearing that every day from my classmates whose parents were landscapers and hvac repairmen seeped in strong and that culture stuck with me for several years
I dunno man, I think most middle class people knew how to change their oil and tires in the 90s when you grew up.
I dunno man, I think most middle class people knew how to change their oil and tires in the 90s when you grew up.
most people think they are middle class...
everyone i grew up with called themselves middle class as well
i mean there's a reason a 4br home in ohio costs less than a 1br portion of duplex on the coast
i'm one of the few here who's just as comfortable at the trailer park as the yacht club as a result - and i think it gives me unique insights into that -
You sound like a deck boy who lives in a trailer park.
ironically, the real group i have very little understanding of is suburban middle class, that's something i'm rarely exposed to - coming to seattle was my first real interaction with that, distinctly remember dog sitting for a friend last year in the suburbs and having utterly no concept of what was ok or not ok while walking the dog, i'd only ever lived in and thus walked dogs
Utterly no concept of what was ok or not? Those yacht brahs didn't teach you anything? Bruh... walking a dog in a city or a suburb is the same: be courteous of others, especially by not leaving your dog's waste everywhere.
If you see a nice redwood fence that your dog is eyeing, maybe consider that if it were your fence you wouldn't want to pull up to the driveway and see a foot-long streak of dog piss all over it and yank the leash and hit a public street lamp instead.
i grew up in an area where i was only one of a handful of white collar children, was regularly called a f@g because my dad didn't change his own oil, wholly ignoring that if their fathers had magical genies they'd never change their own oil either - even once they gain enough wealth to be able to afford to pay someone else to do that for them, they still have their identity tie
I knew plenty of kids who were taught to value blue collar skills, but they were not as myopically and specifically focused on oil changes as the kids you grew up with apparently were.
i'm one of the few here who's just as comfortable at the trailer park as the yacht club as a result
How can any of us really know something like this about other posters?
it's not propaganda, it's a coping mechanism, nearly all blue collar culture is directly tied to coping around what they can't have
they can't afford the imported beer or car, so they proudly drink miller lite and declare that chevy is the best car on earth
So dumb rural whites vote against their own interests and when there is enough of them, pull the rest of us down with them? Isn't that ED's main bone to pick and he rubs it in a bit with some elitism?
Rural white Americans were propagandized into resenting the city folk that supplement their whole existence and somehow feeling a sense of entitlement from that dynamic.The unfortunate reality is they should be lambasted endlessly for this. I'm absolutely sick of being the mature one after 10 years of watching these ******s chew off their own hand to blame the left. There has
Sorry you're sick. Hope you feel better soon.
actually i did think of you when making that claim and thought it probably also applies to you
Who even knows what blue collar means anymore? Mechanics, plumbers, electricians, construction, factory, truckers, all are historically blue collar but make pretty great money outside of entry level. That’s not where low pay labor is concentrated anymore.
If you look at the lowest paid jobs it’s all service, not blue collar.
I'm proudly comfortable at neither a trailer park nor a yacht club.
I am comfortable at both a Waffle House and a Morton's tho.
So dumb rural whites vote against their own interests and when there is enough of them, pull the rest of us down with them? Isn't that ED's main bone to pick and he rubs it in a bit with some elitism?
we're all just crabs in buckets
Who even knows what blue collar means anymore? Mechanics, plumbers, electricians, construction, factory, truckers, all are historically blue collar but make pretty great money outside of entry level. That’s not where low pay labor is concentrated anymore.
If you look at the lowest paid jobs it’s all service, not blue collar.
you're looking at this entirely assbackwards if you use money as the sole decider
money is a symptom not the disease
imagine claiming to be educated, but also needing daddy to explain how to unscrew a couple bolts and watch liquid and gravity work.
Get too comfortable in a trailer park and you will end up zonked on goof pills and running a cockfighting ring like my Aunt Gladys.
