GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread
The number one seed and best team in the country will beat the Lakers without their best player? Hot take!
Also Lebron isn't the luckiest player ever because he wasn't gifted the GOAT coach in a weaker era with multiple HOF team mates
The number one seed and best team in the country will beat the Lakers without their best player? Hot take!
No, the point is that Lebron will be locked down and proven to be not that good, similar to the 07' Spurs showing that a 22 on 35% player won the weakest East ever.
Again, Lebron would be lottery without Luka/AD and we wouldn't even be having this conversation.. So there's nothing remarkable about this season except Luka somehow winning 50 games and a high seed despite Lebron being a massive negative for most of the year.
No, the point is that Lebron will be locked down and proven to be not that good, similar to the 07' Spurs showing that a 22 on 35% player won the weakest East ever.Again, Lebron would be lottery without Luka/AD and we wouldn't even be having this conversation.. So there's nothing remarkable about this season except Luka somehow winning 50 games and a high seed despite Lebron be
He is 41 and the best 41 year old ever by some distance.
Current iteration is not a top 15 player in the league.
No arguments from anyone on that.
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Lebron getting lucky:
* Landing alongside the East All-star center in 2003
* Getting 3 seasons to develop into a favored high seed before entering his first playoffs in 06'
* The Wade bailout
* The Ray Allen bailout
* Draymond suspension
* The Kyrie bailout
* The AD bailout (lifting Lebron out of lottery and to the title in 1 year - unprecedented)
* The Luka bailout (gifting Lebron a playoff team and playoff birth).
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Jordan's scoring rate, shot attempts, and usage increased in the triangle:
Regular Season
85-89' MJ........ 41.5 pts per 100.... 29.5 FGA per 100..... 33.8 usage
90-93' MJ........ 42.0 pts per 100.... 31.1 FGA per 100..... 33.2 usage
Playoffs
85-89' MJ........ 42.9 pts per 100.... 29.7 FGA per 100..... 35.1 usage
90-93' MJ........ 44.4 pts per 100.... 33.4 FGA per 100..... 36.1 usage
Finals
91-93' MJ........ 36.3 PPG...... 35.9 usage
Also Lebron isn't the luckiest player ever because he wasn't gifted the GOAT coach in a weaker era with multiple HOF team mates
Phil was a ROOKIE COACH when MJ got him in 1990, and Phil was wrong about everything... He said that the triangle would spread the wealth and Jordan wouldn't be scoring champ anymore, but Jordan was scoring champ for 7 of 7 seasons in the triangle, while his shot attempts, usage and scoring rate increased in the triangle (see stats in previous post).
So Phil didn't know what he was talking about and simply got lucky to have the GOAT carry his top-heavy offense, which happened to be the most top-heavy offense ever, AND the most hated offense ever (the triangle).. It's the only offense to win titles with no point guard, and that's because it always had the goat at SG..
How many playoff wins does MJ have without Phil or Pippen?
How many do they have without him?
Phil was a ROOKIE COACH when MJ got him in 1990, and Phil was wrong about everything... He said that the triangle would spread the wealth and Jordan wouldn't be scoring champ anymore, but Jordan was scoring champ for 7 of 7 seasons in the triangle, while his shot attempts, usage and scoring rate increased in the triangle (see stats in previous post).So Phil didn't know what he
How lucky for MJ that a rookie coach turned into the GOAT!
Goat coach? What happened when he went to the knicks and was supposed to turn around the knicks? Things didn't go as well when he didn't have guys named Shaq, Kobe, and Jordan. Phil is a good coach. But i'm pretty sure he was lifted by who played for him.
How many playoff wins does MJ have without Phil or Pippen?
How many do they have without him?
Phil inherited a team that was already on the cusp of the Finals and had developed into the 3rd best team by the end of the 89' Playoffs.
The 89' Bulls were only team to win games off the Bad Boys in those playoffs and people forget that Pippen missed the closeout game 6.. Otherwise, it likely goes 7 games just like 1990 when Phil was there.
MJ made Phil by putting his triangle on the map and inspiring another "jordan" (Kobe) to win another 5 with it... Meanwhile, Pippen is despised in Houston to this day because they're still shellshocked at how bad he was, while also being a trashy role player in Portland.
Was it luck or the league deciding our league was better when Jordan was there so let's create a new goat, and let him have everything he wants. Smart business by the nba. Now people actually believe this guy was better than Jordan.I remember when Chris Paul got traded to the lakers and both teams were happy. The league stepped in and said woh woh hold your horses. We can't hav
Exactly. It's ****ing amazing
LeBron won a series leading both teams in points (by 17) and assists (by 16).
As an under dog.
At 41 years of age.
Amazing.
I should never have doubted him.
He is the GOAT.
Yeah, why did you doubt him? This was easy peasy stuff and you doubted him? You being a Jordan super fan did you ever doubt him?
This shows what we all know. Lebron was/is a very good player but not on jordan's level. Jordan was a closer. Coffee is for closers!
Phil inherited a team that was already on the cusp of the Finals and had developed into the 3rd best team by the end of the 89' Playoffs.The 89' Bulls were only team to win games off the Bad Boys in those playoffs and people forget that Pippen missed the closeout game 6.. Otherwise, it likely goes 7 games just like 1990 when Phil was there.MJ made Phil by putting his triangle o
Didn't answer it, MJ and Pippen had roughly the same number of seasons without each other. One did much better.
You constantly downplaying Pippen while ignoring how little MJ did in the years without him.
Will also downplay Lebron winning a playoff series 6yrs older than Jordan's last playoff win as a -550 underdog as the best player on the court.
Didn't answer it, MJ and Pippen had roughly the same number of seasons without each other. One did much better.
You constantly downplaying Pippen while ignoring how little MJ did in the years without him.
Will also downplay Lebron winning a playoff series 6yrs older than Jordan's last playoff win as a -550 underdog as the best player on the court.
Come off it.. MJ wins 19 straight chips with Rasheed, Bonzi, Stoudamire, motherf'ing Sabonis and their dream team... They were literally the most stacked team in the league AND Pippen had a 17-point lead in the 4th of Game 7 - yet he STILL couldn't make the Finals, let alone a title...
He literally had a 17 point lead in the 4th of game 7, so he had everything possible to make it - accordingly, he simply isn't CAPABLE of doing jack without MJ.... And that's because he was mostly a dunker or role player type and never a go-to player.. He really struggled in tight halfcourt sets because he lacked a breakdown handle and also couldn't shoot.. He was also the constant BULLY TARGET of the opponent, aka he was soft as an aging grape.
Btw, Pippen has many of history's greatest chokes, such as the aforementioned collapse in the 2000 WCF, and also the migraine in 90', or the "sit out" game in 94' - these are on the Rushmore of chokes... He also has many more chokes like bricking 2 FT's right before Reggie's game-winner over MJ in the 98' ECF, or losing Game 1 of the 99' 1st Round by turning the ball over on the last possession.. Furthermore, Pippen averaged 3.0 on 20% in the 4th quarter of the 94' ECSF... And against Kobe in the 99' 1st Round, he showed out with 18 on 32%.. Honestly, the guy couldn't hit the broadside of a barn - Jordan won with a historic choker and lane-clogger, while Lebron needs great spacing and closers.
Didn't answer it, MJ and Pippen had roughly the same number of seasons without each other. One did much better.
You constantly downplaying Pippen while ignoring how little MJ did in the years without him.
Will also downplay Lebron winning a playoff series 6yrs older than Jordan's last playoff win as a -550 underdog as the best player on the court.
All due respect. But Jordan only won because of Pippen? Did you watch jordan play? He didn't need anyone, Just clear out the way because the goat is gonna take over. He wanted to be a good teammate so they didn't do that every play. But when the game was on the line that's what they did and why they won. Jordan's number 2 coulda been anyone. He was gonna get it done because he was the greatest of all time!
Imagine if a coach just let MJ be MJ. Clear out every play for his entire career. He would average 60, maybe 70 a game, and have like how many championships? How many years did he play? That many championships.
My apologies to Jordan. He woulda averaged like 150 a game prolly. Because what was average for a team to score back then 100? Jordan wasn't average so i'll say 150.
Not sure that's possible with the math, so i'll just say you get the point. He'd score at a more effecient rate than any other human in history.
He would have zero.
Dan Majerle was legit 6'7".So was Clyde Drexler.So was Reggie Miller, Reggie Lewis, Stacey Augmon, Dale Ellis and many more SG's from the 90's.. Steve Smith was 6'8". Otoh, there are zero 6'7" SG's that start in today's game.. The majority of SG's are 6'3" to 6'5", while the 90's were 6'5" to 6'7".This is historical fact.. Again, the heights of Reggie Miller, Clyde and others a
Just post the same thing as I did last time when you post this garbage.
Here's "6 7" Reggie, next to "6 5" Hali.
Yeah, it would be much better if he lost all his series when he was an underdog.
Kudos for winning. But why did they doubt him? And they never doubted Jordan? I don't think Jordan was ever an underdog other than when he didn't make varsity in high school. He figued it out and got better.
