President Donald Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
Unfortunately, I agree with all this.
I certainly don't have a solution. I DO know that neither party has any desire to reverse this trend.
Is this not what you voted for three times in a row?
Unfortunately, I agree with all this.
I certainly don't have a solution. I DO know that neither party has any desire to reverse this trend.
'If you think there's a solution, you're part of the problem.' - George Carlin (20th century philosopher)
Yeah. Can’t criticize conservatives without bOTh SiDEZ. I’m sure Trump doesn’t think any differently about fat low education low class low performing rurals than I do. But that’s not a both sides thing obviously.
Again, you're done. You don't get to ask questions with your lame roleplay alt when you never answer any yourself. YA BASIC.
This comment received 3 likes demonstrating how braindead people are. Do you know what a market is? Amazing
To state the very, very, very obvious, the observation that women tend to vote blue doesn't lead to the conclusion that someone's political science professor in college very likely was "effeminate."
This is hilariously feeble gymnastics to cope with reality. Also nobody made that claim
People who support Trump because they see it as "manly" to do so is probably significant enough to matter politically. By extension, they start to see anything that is contrary to their ideal as "non-manly".
It is basically political peacocking.
This is completely stupid and backwards. You aren’t this dumb. Things like cognitive dissonance exist for a reason.
People don’t support trump or conservative policy in general to appear manly. That’s backwards. Masculine people tilt towards a worldview that supports those policies. The same with leftism. The white guys for Harris movement was very effeminate. Everyone knew this. They even tried to make commercials with the intention of flipping this reality. Remember the commercials? Construction workers covered in dirt on the back of their truck supporting Kamala etc.
Look at the founder
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Broken YouTube LinkNo. Or, more precisely, not what I thought I was voting for.
I primarily voted for (so I thought):
1. Secure borders.
2. No more wars.
3. Assure conservative majority in SC.
#1 has been accomplished.
#2 has not only not been accomplished, but is headed at warp speed in the wrong direction.
#3 is up-for-grabs.
Yeah. Can’t criticize conservatives without bOTh SiDEZ. I’m sure Trump doesn’t think any differently about fat low education low class low performing rurals than I do. But that’s not a both sides thing obviously.
That's true. More or less true of anyone who adheres to any particular political philosophy who hasn't completely jumped-ship on said philosophy. It's always a relative thing. No matter what the topic, we typically compare our 'tribe' favorably to other 'tribes' even when critiquing our own brethren.
no it’s stolen valor. blue collar used to mean lower paid jobs and hard work. you’re literally invoking trailer parks, cheap chevies, and miller lite in this discussion. it’s obvious you want to associate it with people that are “ignored” and “forgotten” when they’re precisely not those people.
this only works if class is income, and it isn't. it never was. that's the part american pop culture has worked very hard to bury, because an income framing makes class feel fluid and that's the more comforting story. an electrician earning 200k feels like he climbed
the academic literature has never actually defined it that way.
look at any of the standard models from the last 40 years. they don't sort by income, they sort by occupation type, work autonomy, and educational attainment. the electrician at 200k is working class in every one of those models. a tenured english professor at 80k is upper middle class. that's not a value judgment, it's just how the field defines the terms
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_m...
paul fussell's class is the popular treatment of this and it should be required reading for anyone who finds this thread interesting or uncomfortable, because he has written the authoritative work on this and his central observation is that americans hate this topic specifically, and the discomfort itself is the tell
trucks are the cleanest illustration. trucks used to be cheaper than sedans because they were tools. a base f-150 today costs what a bmw costs. that didn't happen because trucks got more useful, it happened because skilled trade earnings went up and manufacturers correctly figured out that the electrician clearing six figures was never going to walk into a bmw dealership. he was going to buy a bigger and fancier truck with a leather interior. the cope identity didn't fade with the income increase, it just got upholstered. the truck industry priced exactly to that ceiling
before i left the country to travel and play poker, i spent time working at prevailing wage construction sites in southern california and seattle where everyone was clearing six figures. i was making far more than any of my other recently graduated classmates in college despite that i was working a shovel and they were working a desk (this is the money i saved up and allowed me to play the big games in macau) but for the rest of my colleagues, nothing was different. same trucks, same beer, same conversations, same weekend plans as if everyone was making 1/3 of what they actually were if we were all working on other job sites. the income came in and went right back out into bigger versions of the same things - the cabin at the lake still had the tasteless decorations on the walls, but now there were very expensive jetskis and snow mobiles sitting under a newly built shed to house them.
so the post i wrote earlier wasn't stolen valor, which was an absurd argument to make, because that's literally how most of the nation lives, it was a description of a culture that persists across income brackets because it was never about income to begin with. the cope scales with the paycheck
the part nobody likes to say out loud is that class in the real sense is generational. it's whose name was on what wall and who knew whom three generations back. that's why i said i'm equally comfortable at the trailer park and the yacht club - both crowds will accept me, some of them genuinely enjoy my company, but neither sees me as truly one of them and they're both right not to. my family name isn't hanging in either place (and yes if you spend time in the really poor areas you'll see surnames are a very big deal).
if i stuck with it as a member, my kids would be more accepted as one of them than i would ever be, especially if i am married to someone who naturally belongs. my grandkids are the earliest anyone in my line that could plausibly be members of either by birth, and only if the line sticks with the club for that long - same with the trailer park, my poverty that led to me living there isn't going to make me appear less of an educated douchebag to them, and my kids, no matter how poor of an education they receive, are still going to be heavily influenced by me, enough where they themselves won't quite fit in, but the grandkids, they'll fit in just fine
we see this same 3-4 generation thing playout in history as well, it's a very well known concept first written about by ibn khaldun where no group of foreign conquerors ever last more than 4 generations of rule and there are countless case studies throughout history which back this up
1 a nomadic group of fierce warriors arrive and conquer - start living sedentary lives of luxury but are still fierce warriors
2 their children spend most of their lives in this luxury, but still spent their formative years on the saddle and are thus still fierce warriors
3 the grandchildren never knew difficulties, but were still raised correctly, with grandparents and parents who knew how to teach them to maintain power that they remain strong enough warriors to keep the status quo running
4 the great grandchildren are now so far removed from the nomadic warrior days that they are grossly incapable and incompetent, knowing nothing but luxury, corruption sets in, the state weakens, a new group rises up as a result and they are no longer fierce warriors and unable to fight them off
to quote the stupid tropes of the thread, cletus and big bertha didn't materialize. nobody arrives at that point without three generations of the same pattern - no college, no upward push, no investment in the next rung. it's the same generational mechanism that produces the people on the other end
bill gates is the version of this that everyone gets wrong. mom on the ibm board with a personal relationship to the chairman, dad a top seattle lawyer, grandfather a bank president. the mythos is self-made and the reality is three generations of accumulation. the funny part is his dad died with maybe 20 million in assets - an amount any successful hvac shop owner could match. the gap wasn't money, it was the rolodex and the assumption that ventures were supposed to succeed. warren buffett is the same story - omaha aristocracy, congressman father, retail giant grandfather, the self-made framing layered on top of a family that was already established. there are tons of brilliant failures who never got the introductions, just look at this thread
fussell's class is something everyone reading this thread should read. his central observation was that americans hate this topic specifically, and that the discomfort is itself the tell. the "omg stolen valor" reaction is a clean example - the middle is exactly where the myth of fluid mobility needs to be protected, and the instinct to wave the whole conversation away is the protection mechanism doing its job. if you read this and felt defensive, you're the audience fussell was writing for
Trailer Park Boys would probably considered offensive and highly offensive given you felt that he need to cape up against mild critiques of rural white culture and voting patterns that many of them now agree with given polling.
I dunno man, why don't you offer some solutions? What am I supposed to do when 20-30% of the population thinks I'm a low T ****** who deserves to have his life ruined because I think transgender people aren't a significant threat to our society? What should I do when 20-30% of the population has effectively been radicalized against me? Radicalized against the country? Radic
Well I would first figure out exactly who im going to target and who I am not. Are you going after lefty rural whites? Hispanic Trumpers? There seems to be some disagreement on who and what is considered left but this argument seems fitting, I guess.
we see this same 3-4 generation thing playout in history as well, it's a very well known concept first written about by ibn khaldun where no group of foreign conquerors ever last more than 4 generations of rule and there are countless case studies throughout history which back this up1 a nomadic group of fierce warriors arrive and conquer - start living sedentary lives of luxur
It's interesting to read a higher-minded version of that moronic "hard times create tough men, tough men create good times, good times create soft men, soft men create bad times" cliche. An incredibly ahistorical take that is somehow very popular. I want to throw up every time I read this.
Bill Gates made all that money because he's a ruthless cutthroat scumbag within the business world, and such types are often rewarded by capitalist societies.
Class is about money. Class is not about what legacy you leave to certain segments of society or whatever nonsense you're going on about. "Whose name is on what wall". No. Names on walls can't purchase mega yachts, can't purchase powerful lawyers who enable you to hide your wealth from taxation, and can't pay lobbyists to implement your preferred policies within government.
In the sense that the wealthy use and abuse various loopholes and shady and/or illegal measures to pass massive amounts of wealth to multiple generations of their family so that they may live lives of unearned super-luxury, yeah, it is.
People like Gates and Buffett are some of the worst malefactors within all of society, and we desperately need to take their money and reallocate it to people who, you know, actually need it to live a full life.
Trailer Park Boys would probably considered offensive and highly offensive given you felt that he need to cape up against mild critiques of rural white culture and voting patterns that many of them now agree with given polling.
Looks like you slept through the language portions of all of that fancy education you're constantly bragging about. Do you want to try again to make a comprehensible post, or would that unduly distract you from your number one hobby of throwing poor people into an active volcano?
"Trailer Park Boys would probably considered offensive and highly offensive". Good ****, man. You're a worse writer than the Trevors and Coreys of the world.
Countdown from 3, 2, 1 until you remind the thread of your SAT scores...
yeah it wasn’t for those dam standardized tests you rurals would be running CERN.
Lol
yeah it wasn’t for those dam standardized tests you rurals would be running CERN.
A masterclass in 14 words:
- very poorly written with necessary words getting completely omitted (again)
- snobbery so profound you can feel it through the internet (I've never lived in a rural area. People in cities hate you, too)
- Look at me! I know what CERN is and can even use it in a sentence-ish fragment of words!
You math dorks will never obtain basic language and communication skills and that will never stop you from somehow thinking you're of superior stock compared to all of those toothless rubes in the holler. You're not. You suck. Stop posting. Nobody here likes you.
You math dorks will never obtain basic language and communication skills and that will never stop you from somehow thinking you're of superior stock compared to all of those toothless rubes in the holler. You're not. You suck. Stop posting. Nobody here likes you.
Such great writing….a trailer park Hemingway lol.
Just look at yourself, you smarmy ****ing **********. Your primary insult is to tell people they live in a trailer park. You know, the vast majority of people in trailer parks are victims of circumstances who are neither more or less inherently morally upstanding that those in the middle class or upper class.
I know you think they're roaches because they didn't attend whatever Math Camp For Condescending Apple-Polishing Losers that you did, but do me a favor and don't advocate for policies that would unnecessarily victimize them even further.
Well I would first figure out exactly who im going to target and who I am not. Are you going after lefty rural whites? Hispanic Trumpers? There seems to be some disagreement on who and what is considered left but this argument seems fitting, I guess.
Right now, I imagine anybody who thinks Trump has been a disaster. And a variety of Dems seem to be winning in special or off year elections.
This is hilariously feeble gymnastics to cope with reality. Also nobody made that claim
Uh. It certainly was part of your claim. You said this:
He went to college and found some like minded effeminate dorks who taught him politics
When I asked you how you concluded that eda learned politics from "effeminate" people in college, you said:
The left is more feminine. Look at a voting demographic voting map by sex. It’s all blue by women and all red by men. You can break it down even further by personality psychology and see the traits leading to votes and party. The same traits are more common in women than men. It’s just blatantly obvious. And the further left you go, the more prominent
Just look at yourself, you smarmy ****ing **********. Your primary insult is to tell people they live in a trailer park. You know, the vast majority of people in trailer parks are victims of circumstances who are neither more or less inherently morally upstanding that those in the middle class or upper class. I know you think they're roaches because they didn't attend whatev
JFC what a mouth-breather
