President Donald Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
hes also admitted to vacationing at internationally illegal West Bank settlements. bro is hanging out with humanities finest.
No words..
"It looks like President Trump has a better understanding of what the Bible teaches than the Pope.”
I don’t know which forum SRM posted it in. He showed a screenshot of this message. How would I search for this? Maybe SRM will be a man and fess up. Maybe SRM hacked your account. I know I saw it.
This being the first time I’ve ever seen that pathetic pm, on god, I will wire transfer you $25,000 right this second if you can demonstrate any evidence I ever posted this. If you cannot, I [strike]request[/strike] expect you being nuked on sight from now until forever
You are such a ****ing loser lol
Edit: Also a rapist who pays to see pussy. You are also a rapist who pays to see pussy
I don’t know which forum SRM posted it in. He showed a screenshot of this message. How would I search for this? Maybe SRM will be a man and fess up. Maybe SRM hacked your account. I know I saw it.
If what you say happened, then it must have been around the time you sent the message to coordi, and around the time SRM figured out you were Mongidig. If such a message was ever posted, then it should be easy to find, especially now that coordi has posted the exact text.
The crazy thing is that I'm sure within a day or two he will go back to pretending that he isn't mongidig.
In all seriousness, how dim do you have to be to tell the entire forum you are a new user immediately after you have admitted to a mod that you are an alt account?
I hope that mong was just amusing himself thinking he was trolling us and he didn’t think we were stupid enough to not know it was him.
Given his penchant for rape and/or rape adjacent activities, his overall desire to only ever deal with damaged women he views as easy to manipulate, his cavalier expression of those activities and confusion why anyone would find them abhorrent, and his truly bizarre behavior on this forum as and since mongo, I think it’s pretty fair to assume this guy is a born sociopath who is a legit danger to human life
What’s funny is when coordi mentioned he got a pm I naturally assumed it was some wink a nod thing sent from the Elway account to try to get access to the mongo account
Definitely wasn’t expecting ‘hi this is Mongo and I don’t know my password plz help. By the way I’m Mongo’
It is well established by now that 'transition' does not improve mental-health outcomes in the distressed youth cohort and, if anything, makes it worse. Which is not surprising because the procedures are harmful and unpleasant and cannot work -- it is impossible to change sex. So suicidality tends to increase after 'transition' due to disillusionment.Gender dysphoria is histori
LOL no. That study that df rick cited is being horribly misrepresented. First of all, it wasn't designed to see if transitioning successfully treated gender dysphoria, it was designed to see if it reduced the societal stigma associated with being trans and that stigmas effect on mental health.
The study LITERALLY states that it DOES successfully treat gender dysphoria. The study he cited LITERALLY says the opposite of what he is claiming.
Here is an article summarizing this:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/myths-abo...
The lead author of the study says this:
Williams: Before I contacted you for this interview, were you aware of the way your work was being misrepresented?
Dhejne: Yes! It’s very frustrating! I’ve even seen professors use my work to support ridiculous claims. I’ve often had to respond myself by commenting on articles, speaking with journalists, and talking about this problem at conferences. The Huffington Post wrote an article about the way my research is misrepresented. At the same time, I know of instances where ethical researchers and clinicians have used this study to expand and improve access to trans health care and impact systems of anti-trans oppression.
Of course trans medical and psychological care is efficacious. A 2010 meta-analysis confirmed by studies thereafter show that medical gender confirming interventions reduces gender dysphoria.
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The aim of trans medical interventions is to bring a trans person’s body more inline with their gender identity, resulting in the measurable diminishment of their gender dysphoria. However trans people as a group also experience significant social oppression in the form of bullying, abuse, rape and hate crimes. Medical transition alone won’t resolve the effects of crushing social oppression: social anxiety, depression and posttraumatic stress.
What we’ve found is that treatment models which ignore the effect of cultural oppression and outright hate aren’t enough. We need to understand that our treatment models must be responsive to not only gender dysphoria, but the effects of anti-trans hate as well. That’s what improved care means.
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People who misuse the study always omit the fact that the study clearly states that it is not an evaluation of gender dysphoria treatment. If we look at the literature, we find that several recent studies conclude that WPATH Standards of Care compliant treatment decrease gender dysphoria and improves mental health.
Supporting citations for the bottom claim:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24344788...
https://link.springer.com/article/10.100...
https://mayoclinic.elsevierpure.com/en/p...
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1...
https://link.springer.com/article/10.100...
https://www.researchgate.net/publication...
No, the study does not show that medical transition results in suicide or suicidal ideation. The study explicitly states that such is not the case and those using this study to make that claim are using fallacious logic.
No, the study does not prove that trans women are rapists or likely to be rapists. The “male pattern of criminality” found in the 1973 to 1988 cohort group was not a euphemism for rape.
No, the study does not prove that trans women exhibit male socialization. The “male pattern of criminality” found in the 1973 to 1988 cohort group was not a claim that trans women were convicted of the same types of crime as cis men.
It is VERY WELL ESTABLISHED that this type of care DOES improve mental health and treats gender dysphoria. It is also well-established that societal stigma can and does persist and cause its own mental health issues, which is what this study is about.
Non-ironically, misrepresenting that study as was done here is a great example of the exact type of social stigma that CAUSES what the study finds. That and the Dunning-Kruger effect causing people to think that they are qualified to understand and disseminate medical studies and information despite having zero education regarding how to read and understand it and no educational foundation in the subject area being addressed.
I for one think it’s great that coordi sat on this kill-shot for as long as he did. Really underscores how much of an unhinged pathological liar mong is.
I for one think it’s great that coordi sat on this kill-shot for as long as he did. Really underscores how much of an unhinged pathological liar mong is.
Hey former boss, if you’re reading this thread congrats on securing this demo as your fanbase
LOL no. That study that df rick cited is being horribly misrepresented. First of all, it wasn't designed to see if transitioning successfully treated gender dysphoria, it was designed to see if it reduced the societal stigma associated with being trans and that stigmas effect on mental health.The study LITERALLY states that it DOES successfully treat gender dysphoria. The study
read what i actually wrote. my original post said there's no strong evidence transition normalizes suicide risk, and that suicide mortality remained dramatically elevated even after transition. that's what the study found. the author has never disputed that finding. you took frustration she had with people claiming her study shows transition causes suicide, which is not what i said
i never claimed transition causes suicide. i never claimed it doesn't reduce self reported dysphoria scores. i said people who transition remain at dramatically elevated suicide risk compared to the general population. that is the finding. it is uncontested
so you're either actively being dishonest and hoping nobody reads the fine print or you're just completely clueless, which is rich coming after you made a big stink claiming i couldn't read studies and lecturing about dunning kruger
and i explicitly said the problem with the other studies is that most of them rely on self reporting, short follow up periods, small sample sizes, or no proper control group
then you responded by citing studies that rely on self reporting, short follow up periods, small sample sizes, and no proper control groups
tellingly, the murad 2010 meta-analysis you're leaning on rated its own evidence as very low quality for exactly these reasons. they published their work with the caveat that they understood it was weak and you still show up here like "look at this rock solid stuff"
the rest of your citation dump has the same problems. i told you in advance what the weak studies look like and you posted exactly those weak studies
meanwhile the cass review, the most thorough systematic review of this literature ever commissioned, reached conclusions much closer to mine than yours. sweden, finland, the uk, and norway have all restricted these treatments in youth populations based on the weakness of the evidence that any of this helps and the real risk of future harm
lobotomies were once considered cutting edge science that loving parents signed off on for their children. they too believed that was the right course of action
Yes, let's.
Oh look, just like I thought, rick would come back and lie about what he said (I knew he would, and it's the only reason I chose to read this post). It was the VERY first thing you said and literally the ONLY part that was responsive to my post. This is why you are blocked and I don't read your stupid ass posts, rick. You lie because you can't stand being shown you're wrong. Nothing else in your post was relevant, by your own admission - the topic was does transition-related care effectively treat gender dysphoria. The answer is yes. You said it wasn't. The end. You're wrong and to try to avoid being wrong you claimed you never said it wasn't. You're a liar and you are out of your depth.
I'm not reading that paragraph of bullsht you just wrote trying to weasel out of misrepresenting that study hardcore. You have no idea what that study says, the author disagrees with you, and you are a lying POS. I am now returning to not reading your pathetic bullsht. But please feel free to posture as if you weren't just caught with your pants down.
Hey man, maybe you don't realize the implications of you saying this over and over, but I didn't share your DM with anyone. Not even other mods.
Here it is though. Now I have. If SRM posted this conversation to the forum then I will eat a shoe
Elway confirmed to be a liar.
Where's my shock face?
Found it!
😮
Yes, let's. Oh look, just like I thought, rick would come back and lie about what he said (I knew he would, and it's the only reason I chose to read this post). It was the VERY first thing you said and literally the ONLY part that was responsive to my post. This is why you are blocked and I don't read your stupid ass posts, rick. You lie because you can't stand being shown you
so let me get this straight.,, your position is that the treatment "effectively resolves dysphoria" even though you clearly read the report that unanimously agrees that the people who get it remain at dramatically elevated suicide risk?
do you comprehend what you're actually saying? that checks notes... suicide is an acceptable outcome of effective treatment?
Woah bro you’re telling me this treatment relieves pain from chemotherapy but doesn’t reduce risk of death from cancer? Must be a useless treatment!
Woah bro you’re telling me this treatment relieves pain from chemotherapy but doesn’t reduce risk of death from cancer? Must be a useless treatment!
that's a false equivalence and it actually undermines your own position. cancer pain doesn't cause cancer deaths, those are two separate things, which is why treating the pain without affecting mortality is fine. but the entire argument for transition is that untreated gender dysphoria is what drives the elevated suicide risk. that's literally the "we have to do this or they'll kill themselves" pitch. so if you're now saying dysphoria and suicide risk are unrelated like cancer pain and cancer death, congratulations, you've just removed the main justification for the treatment
if dysphoria drives suicide, then treating dysphoria should reduce suicide, and it doesn't. if dysphoria doesn't drive suicide, then the urgency argument collapses. you don't get to have it both ways
Woah bro you’re telling me this treatment relieves pain from chemotherapy but doesn’t reduce risk of death from cancer? Must be a useless treatment!
Don't bother. There's zero chance he even understands the paper and even less chance that he would be honest about it if he were capable of understanding. I have way too many hours with that df. Total waste of time.
that's a false equivalence and it actually undermines your own position. cancer pain doesn't cause cancer deaths, those are two separate things, which is why treating the pain without affecting mortality is fine. but the entire argument for transition is that untreated gender dysphoria is what drives the elevated suicide risk. that's literally the "we have to do this or they'll
What argument? He didn’t make the argument that it reduces suicide risk. You’re not tracking. Stop jumping to a different argument without acknowledging that you were incorrect on the previous thing you asserted. This is reminiscent of the sex is not binary discussion. You’re making the concession and moving to something else before acknowledging you’re wrong.
For the record, he's lying again. No, the "entire argument" for transition is not that untreated gender dysphoria elevates suicide risk. It's certainly an argument, but it's not the only one. But, rick being entirely incapable of understanding the paper is again the culprit here. The paper clearly states in its conclusion that transition care alleviates gender dysphoria but is not enough on its own and further interventions are necessary to lower suicide risk and other factors (this is solely due to societal factors).
You are correct that I did not make the argument that it reduces suicide risk. My argument was that it was effective at alleviating gender dysphoria. The paper rick cited LITERALLY STATES THAT IT DOES THAT IN ITS CONCLUSION.
Rick says it doesn't then cites a paper that says it does. He will never, ever admit this.
The hypothetical gender dysphoria pill would have the same effect according to that paper - alleviating gender dysphoria but being insufficient in reducing suicide risk (etc.). The paper suggests psychiatric and somatic care post procedure due to EXTERNAL FACTORS (ie pricks like rick not leaving them the f alone).
Also even if we assume for the sake of argument it doesn’t have baring on suicide risk, that still doesn’t entail that it’s not a good treatment. What if for instance gender dysphoria causes major quality of life issues outside of those that would lead to suicide risk. If it drastically improves QoL would we really say there isn’t an urgency in getting those treatments or that they are useless?
For the record, he's lying again. No, the "entire argument" for transition is not that untreated gender dysphoria elevates suicide risk. It's certainly an argument, but it's not the only one. But, rick being entirely incapable of understanding the paper is again the culprit here. The paper clearly states in its conclusion that transition care alleviates gender dysphoria
lolololol
right above your screenshot...
"no inferences can be drawn as to the effectiveness of sex reassignment as a treatment for transsexualism"
also conventiently cropped out the bit underneath your highlighted section 😀
so either you didn't read the paper you're lecturing me about, or you read it and chose to ignore the sentence that destroys your interpretation
meanwhile my actual claim, that transition doesn't normalize suicide risk, is what the paper actually found. 19x suicide mortality vs controls. you don't dispute it because you can't
all the more hilarious that this is after your dunning kruger and comments about my inability to read to a study... just so rich
lololololright above your screenshot..."no inferences can be drawn as to the effectiveness of sex reassignment as a treatment for transsexualism"
I told you he'd be dishonest again.
Notice that he cropped out the part right above that and ignored the sentence right after it. I'll help with the full context:
"It is therefore important to note that the current study is only informative with respect to transsexuals persons health after sex reassignment; no inferences can be drawn as to the effectiveness of sex reassignment as a treatment for transsexualism." (remember this line, it's important)
This is EXACTLY what I was saying you df. This paper HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHETHER OR NOT IT IS A TREATMENT FOR TRANSSEXUALISM. IT'S LITERALLY SAYING WHAT I TOLD YOU. YOU ARE THE ONE CLAIMING IT WAS THAT, NOT ME. ***** lying prick.
I will state this again very clearly: THIS PAPER IS NOT ABOUT THE EFFECTIVENESS AS A TREATMENT FOR GENDER DYSPHORIA, IT'S ABOUT LIFE AFTER THAT YOU IMBECILE.
The conclusion stating that it alleviates gender dysphoria is not drawing it from this paper (WHICH AS I SAID HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT), it's drawing it from scientific consensus. This is why I posted MULTIPLE OTHER SOURCES FOR THAT CLAIM. It's not even controversial. That you handwave these away is immaterial. I couldn't care less about that because you're an idiot that can't read and understand a paper to save his life (AS THIS THREAD IS DEMONSTRATING).
also conventiently cropped out the bit underneath your highlighted section 😀
so either you didn't read the paper you're lecturing me about, or you read it and chose to ignore the sentence that destroys your interpretation
I didn't crop out anything after you idiot, and the last bit supports exactly what I said. I honestly have no idea if you are just this illiterate or dishonest but it's ***** pathetic either way.
I told you he'd either not understand the paper/discussion or just lie. Sad thing is I can't tell which is happening.
meanwhile my actual claim, that transition doesn't normalize suicide risk, is what the paper actually found. 19x suicide mortality vs controls. you don't dispute it because you can't
No. As stated above, THIS PAPER HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EFFECTS OF TRANSITION-RELATED CARE. YOU EVEN TRIED A GOTCHA ON ME SAYING THIS. YOU ARE THE ONE THAT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THE PAPER MORON.
all the more hilarious that this is after your dunning kruger and comments about my inability to read to a study... just so rich
Oh it's rich all right you absolute ***** imbecile. You paste a quote saying that the paper isn't comparing... oh wait, no you didn't. YOU INTENTIONALLY CROPPED THAT PART OUT.
Remember when it said:
"It is therefore important to note that the current study is only informative with respect to transsexuals persons health after sex reassignment; no inferences can be drawn as to the effectiveness of sex reassignment as a treatment for transsexualism."
And yet, here you are trying to draw inferences as to the effectiveness of sex reassignment. rickroll: "my actual claim, that transition doesn't normalize suicide risk, is what the paper actually found." THAT'S AN INFERENCE AS TO THE EFFECTIVENESS OF SEX REASSIGNMENT - WHICH THE PAPER CLEARLY SAYS YOU CANNOT DO. I DIDN'T USE TO MAKE INFERENCES - YOU DID. YOU. NOT ME. ***** LIAR.
Yeah, you're just a lying little prick.
Just a reminder that the very first thing I told you about how you were misrepresenting the study is that it wasn't designed to test the effectiveness of transition care. That you are trying to correct me on that is hilarious.
All I did was say the conclusion states that it alleviates gender dysphoria which it does state explicitly. Again, it does this because it's non-controversial. It's important to point out that it says this because you were attempting to say it wasn't effective by citing this study. The author clearly disagrees. And don't say you weren't trying to say that because I already proved you did with a screenshot. You've been caught lying and just plain being illiterate now multiple times. Give it up.
First of all, it wasn't designed to see if transitioning successfully treated gender dysphoria, it was designed to see if it reduced the societal stigma associated with being trans and that stigmas effect on mental health.
I'm confident that anyone that cares enough about this to read it all will be able to see clearly that I'm entirely correct and you are a lying, stupid buffoon, so I will no longer be responding to you. Which is how it should have been all along.
Curse the stupid quote feature. Although maybe more people will come to understand who you really are as a result.
Pro-tip: drinking game - take a drink every time Rick tries to draw conclusions of effectiveness using the data in that study or accuses me of doing it in his next posts. You might be dead by morning. You'd certainly be dead if you were already playing.
lol at acting like i was cherry picking, that was done to show your passage below at the bottom, as in there's no way you could have read the paper and honed in on that conclusion despite that the bits above explicitly say otherwise
now you're saying the paper isn't about treatment effectiveness at all, so my suicide mortality citation is irrelevant. which is dumb because stats about outcomes are not about treatment, that's what i was talking about, outcomes, that trans who undergo transition still kill themselves at extremely disproportionate rates.
that is not based on treatment, but your "the paper LITERALLY STATES it treats gender dysphoria" line is irrelevant because the paper says treatment effectiveness can't be measured from it
and once you concede the dysphoria-relief claim comes from outside literature, not from this paper, we are back to my original post. that outside literature is the same body of work i flagged from the start as relying on self report, short follow up, small samples, and no controls. dhejne's own paper calls that evidence "very low quality due to the serious methodological limitations of included studies"
go back to my original post
it's not. when you look at actual suicide outcomes instead of self reported "ideation" scores, there is no strong evidence that transition normalizes suicide risk, and one of the best long term cohort studies we have found suicide mortality remained dramatically elevated even after transition
most of theboth claims about suicide outcomes. nothing about whether transition treats dysphoria.
you've been arguing against a strawman this entire time
so to recap. i described a result. you drew an effectiveness inference. then accused me of doing what you did all while throwing a hissy fit and calling me all sorts of names.
the projection is something else, you're an absolute mindless zealot
