USA Goes to War Against Iran
Time for a dedicated thread to the war.
How long will it last and what will be the probable outcome?
Money isn't the problem. NY and LA spend over $80,000 per person, and they have the worst homeless situations in the US. $80K!! Clearly, throwing large sums of money at it doesn't help anything. It's about the will to use laws to end it, and actually caring rather than using as a corruption vehicle. They were able to clean up the streets of San Francisco when their left wing gr
Oh snap, my bad. I guess let’s cut a bunch of **** instead and start another war. Society is such a lame concept, let’s get rich and ball fellas.
Get bent, weirdo alt.
According to the BBC, the US 'with regional partners' is pledging $300bn of financial aid to Iran, and this is separate from the unfreezing of Iranian assets, which is dealt with in a different clause of the MoU.
Basically the Gulf States are trying to do to Iran what they did to us. “Invest” so much money and bribe so many politicians that IRGC policy moving forward has no choice but to be very favorable to them.
If you can’t beat them, try to buy them.
Oh snap, my bad. I guess let’s cut a bunch of **** instead and start another war. Society is such a lame concept, let’s get rich and ball fellas.
Get bent, weirdo alt.
Yes, this post is your second "bad". Curious response to "will, not money, is the solution to the Democrat Homelessness Problem, throwing more money at it seems to do nothing".
Basically the Gulf States are trying to do to Iran what they did to us. “Invest” so much money and bribe so many politicians that IRGC policy moving forward has no choice but to be very favorable to them.
If you can’t beat them, try to buy them.
The gulf states wanted this, even with the giant disruption and risk. Iran is the last big disaster state in the region - the rest except Lebanon are ruled by stable princes and kings or are going the right way (Syria) or Iran is keeping the crap going (Houthis, etc).
And yes the $300 billion funds comes from the surrounding states, not the US. It's actually a very nice outcome - Iran had the stick for a nice softening, and now they get a big carrot with the understanding that bombing could restart at any time including leadership. Be interesting to see if theology wins over greed and fear
Agree that he’s not Luciom, but 100% getting his material from the same sources. Sad!
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lol they have been firing missiles at each other all morning.
its really great that Hezbollah is not playing by Israeli rules anymore. if the IDF wants a ceasefire then they need to stop firing and gtfo of Lebanon.
anyway, Dems should be happy bc now the US wont be giving Iran their money back.
The people I feel sorry for are the kids who will study this usa-iran conflict in history class.
We had to learn dates. They will have to learn what time of day it was as well.
The people I feel sorry for are the kids who will study this usa-iran conflict in history class.
We had to learn dates. They will have to learn what time of day it was as well.
The most amusing part of Victor's "analysis" is his apparent belief the one party that clearly doesn't want a ceasefire (Israel) is begging Hezbollah for one.
It isn't going to get it, but all Israel wants is the green light from Trump to roll all the way to Beirut and destroy every Hezbollah controlled city on the way.
ofc they want an Israeli "ceasefire" where they can continue slaughtering while Hezbollah stops defending its land.
It isn't going to get it, but all Israel wants is the green light from Trump to roll all the way to Beirut and destroy every Hezbollah controlled city on the way.
they already have that man.
Has anyone suggested giving Israel 600 billion? Or do we do that already.
You are joking, but some portion of money Iran is receiving has to be used to buy US goods. Good chance they never even see any money, and are just given the goods. And I dont think anyone is going to be shocked if Trump or a Trump ally is the one actually receiving the money.
So it seems to basically be the same model as aid to Israel.
Sounds like the new marching orders and talking points have been issued.
Btw, we still don’t have money for healthcare or homeless. So pay up for more bombs and bullshit, citizen.
We have more than enough money for healthcare and the homeless 10x over. Elon musk could give up a rounding error in his net worth and solve both of those problems in an instant, from a financial standpoint.
Do you really want to skimp out on national security? How’s that worked out for the Euros?
Personally, I have great healthcare and I wouldn’t want to trade it for the underpaid, unqualified doctors from other countries.
We have more than enough money for healthcare and the homeless 10x over. Elon musk could give up a rounding error in his net worth and solve both of those problems in an instant, from a financial standpoint.Do you really want to skimp out on national security? How’s that worked out for the Euros? Personally, I have great healthcare and I wouldn’t want to trade it for the und
No, the US govt alone spends $2 trillion/yr on healthcare. And we dont even have socialized medicine.
Pretty well so far, thanks for asking.
The few times I’ve had a non trivial medical problem I’ve seen my local doctor, been referred to a local hospital and been treated there, all without charges.
Also, your belief that a trillionaire could fix the USAs problems is pie in the sky level 0 economics.
The most amusing part of Victor's "analysis" is his apparent belief the one party that clearly doesn't want a ceasefire (Israel) is begging Hezbollah for one.
It isn't going to get it, but all Israel wants is the green light from Trump to roll all the way to Beirut and destroy every Hezbollah controlled city on the way.
Well, they are SOL for now then. Iran is not going to give up its proxy warfare, and even if Israel reduces its military action to retaliation alone, Iran will cry foul and claim those retaliations are ceasefire violations.
Which I guess is an important reminder to be wary about where you hitch your wagon.
The Straight is closed again.
Nice deal Don.
Maybe we should give them $500 billion.
They buy cardboard to make their signs, silly boy.
Says the same people who told you Mexico is paying for the wall and billionaires are paying for the ballroom.
Meanwhile, Canada has built and paid for a new bridge (the Gordie Howe Bridge) between Windsor and Detroit, and Trump won't allow it to open because the US gets no tolls until the bridge is paid for (once Canada recoups the construction and maintenance costs then Michigan gets 50% of the tolls).
How can Trump be upset over a free bridge??? His rich donor buddy owns the existing Ambassador bridge, and he is going to lose traffic and toll money... and he complained to Trump... So, that's how Trump gets upset over a free bridge.
ffs, does Trump think the bridge was thrown together in 3 weeks and they are just now trying to figure out what the contract, tolls, ownership, etc looks like...???
Anyway, this is Trump looking after the American people again..
A US CENTCOM spox said 'Iran does not control the Strait of Hormuz' and 'traffic is flowing normally', but, given the lack of US resolve to commit naval and air assets to interdict IRGC boats and drones and missile sites, that seems like big talk.
It seems fairly obvious that Iran and Israel will keep claiming violations and throwing strops. As the 'deal' is such a foolish one, it may not matter if it fails.
A US CENTCOM spox said 'Iran does not control the Strait of Hormuz' and 'traffic is flowing normally', but, given the lack of US resolve to commit naval and air assets to interdict IRGC boats and drones and missile sites, that seems like big talk. It seems fairly obvious that Iran and Israel will keep claiming violations and throwing strops. As the 'deal' is such a foolish one,
yep its definitely closed right now. there were some false reports yesterday. but today Iran said it was closed. what the US says doesnt really matter.
It’s so funny how much trump gives the game away by outting he was in over his head with this nonsense, has absolutely zero leverage, and transparently told Iran that Hormuz is an irreplaceable piece of leverage they can always use that even despite getting no concessions from iran AND them getting 300 billion they still are comfortable closing the strait to use him and the election as leverage to get israel the **** away
My only question is, if it was such a good deal why did Iran take the first excuse to rip it up? Seems like they are not so keen on agreeing to not pursue nuclear weapons even though the rest would be a big economic boon for them and allow the repair of relations between Iran and the US.
As much as it’s fun to trash Trump, it’s arguable that a lopsided deal in favor of Iran is the only alternative to an actual prolonged ground invasion. Since we’ve shown that we’re not willing to do the latter we’re stuck with the former. Even still, Iran doesn’t seem to want even a lopsided deal in their favor.
