***Official H&F LC Thread***

OK, I'm back. Let's get the rest of that post.

I don't know why you keep doing this over and over again. This has nothing to do with my point. All I was saying is that people who are dumber and less informed tend to vote for Trump more. These people can be pissed off about immigration. It doesn't change the fact that they are unaware of reality.

Too bad you can't read. As I've told you numerous times, my arguments have nothing to do with anyone's basis for voting. Why do you do this?

I don't care about credit for Biden or whether people are mad at him for high prices. All irrelevant. For the zillionth time, it is irrelevant to my point. It's one thing to think prices are too high. It's another thing to not know that the rate of inflation is going down. People who don't know that, tend to vote Trump. You can keep theorizing why. It has zero to do with what I'm saying.

And, same for crime. You keep crying about cherry-picked data sets, as if legacy media don't parrot the Democrat talking points Biden sends them in the form of White House press releases. But, there are also plenty of

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/violent-crimes-have-increased-under-biden-harris-admin-despite-dems-denials-expert

Fox News

Violent crimes have increased under Biden-Harris admin despite Dems' denials: expert

showing some crime going up.

So, I read the article. I hope you did too, but who are we kidding. You're actually comparing official statistics from the FBI, so a survey which asks people if they've been a victim of a crime. Awesome.

Yeah, I get that plenty of crimes go unreported, but there really should be a correlation between reported and unreported crime. And historically both data sets mostly point the same way (up or down). So which should we believe when they're at odds with one another?

One of the problems with this approach was mentioned in the very article that you linked:

Basically if you ask people if they've been a victim of a crime and they think they were, even if it was not a crime, then it counts. Seems like a flaw.

The other problem with is that it doesn't count crimes in the year they occurred. It goes based on the prior six months of when they were asked, this probably confounds things, which is significant when this data is in a different direction from FBI stats (most years they both point the same way.

So sure if you want to go by stats that aren't officially reported crimes, can include lots of stuff that may not be crime and doesn't necessarily have to have occurred in the year in question, then have at it. These all seem like pretty obvious flaws.

But lets just say that it's correct. It still doesn't explain the graphic I posted. Remember the question as if violent crime was "at or near all time highs". Even using the data from the exact survey you used, that is plainly WRONG. It's not even debatable. I just picked 1993 since that is how far back the data set goes, but you can amuse yourself and pick another year. Doesn't matter.

As you can plainly see, that's falso. So, sure, use your self-reported, unofficial data. It doesn't change a thing.

This is why actually posting your sources is important.

Dude, just post some actual facts, and then we can talk. Why do you keep posting feels? Also why do you feel it's OK to be able to steal so much more stuff in TX than CA before you can get charged with a felony? Seems like you completely ignore facets of TX law that are undeniably more lax. I wonder why that is.

Cool. Irrelevant to the underlying point, but sure.

It may not be. +9 vs +2 is kind of a big difference though. I think with a large enough sample it almost certainly is. It doesn't matter if it is not important to them or not. It just shows they are less informed people. Is that bad? Maybe, may be not. Honestly, you probably do better as an investor if you never even look. Again, that is irrelevant to my point.

Not everyone else. You really have a hard time understanding words, don't you? Again, the point is if we take people who are dumber and poorly informed, they are more likely to vote Trump. That all I'm saying.

Melk if you rule over the only Hindu nation in the world next to a giant Muslim nation that hates you and you don't have any safeguards in place against them harming your interests, you just aren't ready for life after footy pajamas.

And while I'm no Christian Nationalist, I certainly know how things might shake out if the US ever becomes something like 20+% Muslim, or Hindu.. I'll take my chances with the Christ bros.

Anyway regarding data, this is all that matters:

If your conclusion is they're all data illiterate idiots, then stop thinking more data will fix it. You need a better strategy. If America is too sexist to elect a female president... maybe stop running them?

If you conclude they're too stupid to vote and democracy is a mistake... we may find some common ground.

Eta: the biggest red shift states were NY, NJ, and MA.

Yeah, you know you're doing great when you have say "see, I'm winning" over and over again.

My absolute favorite example of the winning was:

Rich Muny: CPI doesn't include housing costs
Melk: Yes it does
Rich Muny: CPI doesn't include "owned housing" costs.
Melk: Sure, but that's not what you said. It includes rent which is a housing costs

Rich Muny: Ha, Ha. I slow-rolled you. I am very smart! I win.

chef's kiss. That was fantastic.

The "I deal in facts" followed and preceded by zero linked facts was a strong second. Well you finally linked one source eventually. Good effort, but it proved my point. Explained in my last post above.

It's too late for all of that. I already took the W. But, again, you're missing the point I keep telling you. All four points were Kamala campaign talking points. Kamala supporters heard those points regularly on MSNBC and read them in emails from Kamala, ActBlue, etc. LOL at believing libs are more informed overall just because they were more exposed to Kamala's campaign positions.

Come on, man. This is basically why we interned the Japanese in WW2.

There are nearly 200 million Muslims in India already.

I'm not against safeguards, but just discriminating against Muslims is lazy. That specific law was just one example. It's still lazy and wrong. But it doesn't end there. Things like looking the other way and not prosecuting when Muslims get lynched is not "a safeguard". Modi and most of the BJP is perfectly fine with shiet like that. FFS, I hope that you're just ignorant and aren't consciously co-signing all of that.

Thank PLOKJ

They're all bad outcomes. It's like choosing between a kick in the balls and a punch in the dick.

Anyway regarding data, this is all that matters:

If your conclusion is they're all data illiterate idiots,

NO NO NO NO NO. I didn't say that. I explained this to Rich Muny like 10 times. I guess I can't blame you for not reading those giant text walls. Here's is an oversimplification (it's not exactly it, but it's close-ish and I'm only doing it to make it easier for you)

1. If you vote Trump, then you are dumb
2. If you are dumb, then you vote Trump

These are two different things. What I am saying is more or less the second (not exactly, though, and I'm sure that despite the disclaimer someone will quote it out of context; the main difference is that I'm arguing correlation not causation), which is different from the first.

I don't think that. And all of my giant text walls have nothing to do with "fixing it".

I've posted that about 20 times over in New Politardia, I can link you to a post if you don't believe me. However, that's irrelevant to the point I've been discussing here.

Maybe we can. I can probably come up with a position adjacent to that.

Yes, that's true. Kamala was not a good candidate. Again irrelevant to my point.

LOL. Maybe if you keep saying it enough it will happen for you!

Add that to the list of things I never said. The "why" is irrelevant to my argument as I've told you many, many, times.

Reading, how does it work?

Nevermind I'm a Christian Nationalist now.

Do you have to be Christian to be one?

I've attempted to educate you on the topic. You're too busy arguing to read and contemplate. Feel free to go back and read the knowledge bombs I dropped.

I am not even Christian and I think a Christian ethnostate with no world policing, universal health care, and sane immigration policy would be based AF.

The modern left from 2014 onward has basically created a secular religion based on victimhood rankings and fake inclusivity. Christianity mogs it in terms of its adherents being happy well adjusted people.

Looks like we need to settle this in the gym. Left vs Right. Let's see right side is Muny, Evo, kidcolin, and maybe their weak link is right leaning thremp.

But wait left is melkerson, montecore, and the SALTS guy?!!!!

Never mind. Left just like kamala loses, we move on.

I will leave you with a video of our future secretary of education.

How about all of that without the ethnostate part? Even more based?

Actually, I looked up that other thing we were discussing. Need to check again to confirm, but so far it looks like in this century there have only been two periods of deflation 2007-09 (great recession) and 2015 where CPI was down 0.1% (so, basically nothing). That's all we've got for deflation. It looks like only those two instances even if we go significantly farther back.

I'm claiming Evo on the basis of universal health care being on his based list.

people itt believe in God?

CPI attempts to include this:

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-does-the-consumer-price-index-account-for-the-cost-of-housing/

Brookings

How does the Consumer Price Index account for the cost of housing?

If you own we pretend that you rent for the all in cost. Most people don't even realize structures depreciate, so good luck getting a normie to understand economics. Substitute goods keep on getting better so there is a decent amount of tech joy getting boiled into CPI, which again is only one measure of inflation, which can mean a myriad of things. I'm not gonna read all that aids, but it seems you are literally only talking about consumer prices as "inflation" and using CPI is fine in this case.

I know quite a few people who think that joining a Church to do hobbies is fine. Honestly as a SBO, not joining a church is a huge leak. If you're the "plumber guy" for a 2000 household church, you're gonna spend 1-3hrs a week on leadgen and make infinite money doing you stand up, sit down, sing at appropriate times.

Do we all understand universal health care is a misnomer? It isn't universal nor does it cover "everything" like we expect in the US? Or is this something you learn when you actually live under universal health care?

God forbid we could like... have people write it down and we could read about it.

While I usually enjoy both sides of the political aisle considering me the most odiously extreme person they'll grudgingly allow into their tent in certain situations, you can keep me separated into the right leaning centrist pansy bucket on this one.

I'm not sure that's how any of this works.

lol montecoco rejecting the shitlibs.

Wait till you hear how population registries and national ID card make it effortless to deport illegals and give poor people free **** like houses and money.

In all seriousness I tried to explain US voting to my wife. (We live in a country with a modified dHondt system. Also known as the Jeffersonian system to non-Euro****s.) Trying to explain how EC votes are FPTP except in Maine/Nebraska since each state makes up their own rules was.... amusing.

Is that a shy Trump voter we see?

Everyone posting is either watching with popcorn or getting a extra intellectual workout.
I can see you guys would be great to work out with in a gym. One more lift you weakling!

30 years ago If I was American, I likely would have been a Democrat.
Although I leaned democrat in the 90's I was offended that the other side derided Democrats as uneducated or dumb; as some people would claim. I believed that the Democrats were for the underdog working class. I was in that working class.
Back then, because of wars that the US had boots on the ground, I felt that the Republicans were ruled by an elite group (Military Industrial Complex (MIC)/ others also, but not so obvious)
The biggest hawk being Dick Cheney.
Now I have more money, I lean right and am still offended that people (today) think that if you are dumb, you vote for Republicans.

The big flip as I see it is that the MIC, Big Pharma (and other elite donor classes) , swapped sides from Republican to Democrat.
And because of that, 30 years later, Dick and daughter Liz Cheney flipped to the Democrat side.

This seems obvious since the Democrats outspent the Republicans by over 1B. (Where Orange guy got the popular vote, so assuming individuals donated a similar modest amount to their candidate, then most of those extra funds came from 'big corporate donors')

The Democratic Party has long been regarded as the party of the “common man” or “working class” and the Republican Party the party of “big business” and the wealthy. Indeed, one political science textbook from 1998 says of the parties’ coalitions: “lower-status people, those with less education, those with low incomes, recently immigration ethnic groups, racial minorities, and Catholics are more likely to vote Democratic. Higher status people, the college-educated, those with high incomes, whites of northern European stock, and Protestants are more likely to vote Republican.”

https://manhattan.institute/article/the-rise-of-college-educated-democrats

Manhattan Institute

The Rise of College-Educated Democrats

If you were educated in the 90's you voted Republican. If you are educated in the 2020's you vote Democrat.
To say uneducated people vote Republican is similar to saying Short people vote Democrat or people that lift heavy vote Republican.

Voting for one party happens, not because you are more educated or short, but because the party pushes policies that give or promise something for that subset of people. The two I mentioned before ...College educated women want student loan forgiveness and bodily autonomy. I am sure there are a lot more that align with them, but those are easy ones to point out.
Just My 2c opinion.

I can’t read the full wall of text but in lol Straya at least the left leaning party has gone from being an economic focus ‘help the poor and lower income people’ to being a ‘values’ party targeting the inner city lefties.

Melk is p much this vibe. Kinda smart, kinda dumb. But will 100% belabor some asinine point he knows very little about into the ****ing depths of the earth.

Okay. I don't think that describes any political party and probably, aside from Melk, most accurately describes me.

As an aside, I know a single individual who took a plea for pedo **** and got investigated for pizza. He's a hardcore right wing ****o. Maybe them stereotypes aren't all accurate.

I think before you "attempt" to educate anyone, you need to learn to read. I mean that seriously. Even if we set aside the whole changing what you are saying from post to post and the whole never posting actual facts (except one which supports what I said), your main problem is that you simply can't understand really basic English.

Half of your posts have been coming at me like I'm Harris's campaign manager. You've completely missed the point more times than I thought was possible. I even tried to prove the one thing I'm saying by a completely different method. You still didn't get it. I really think you have it in you, though. Just read this part again a couple of times and maybe it will sink in:

See, this is what happens when you don't read the text walls.

Here was an earlier exchange I had with big brain over a few posts (I'm paraphrasing because I can't be arsed up to go back and quote, but I guess if you really need it, I can do it)

Melk: So what's Orange Man's plan to deport millions
Rich: Oh, don't worry, Homan has a plan

Then a bit later:

Rich: I haven't seen a plan for school security from Biden/Harris. Obviously they don't give a ****, if they don't have a plan. Where the **** is their plan?

So, my post was a reference to his highly selective need to see a plan. For Dems, it's "I need to see a detailed plan. Now". For Orange Man it's "I'm sure he has one and it will be great!"

BTW, this was one of many tangents that had nothing to do with the point I was making.

Hope that helps!

*If you're confused about "Biden/Harris", that was my shorthand for Biden or Harris (i.e. he'd never seen a plan from either Biden or Harris).