Nacho Barbero uses GTO Wizard while playing on ACR

Nacho Barbero uses GTO Wizard while playing on ACR

He foolishly posts to social media:

He later claims he didn't know using GTO wizard while playing was against the rules.

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31 January 2025 at 09:17 PM
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If $300+ tournaments are that easy to beat that you can profit by just using GTOWizard/whatever3rdpartysolversoftware, then...

1) The core problem is not that someone is cheating that way. If cheating is that easy, then there will be two new "cheaters" for every "cheater" gets banned.
2) The core problem is that the game itself should evolve beyond the point where pre-computated charts are rendered useless, e.g. randomized blind structure
3) Why is this not happening, is because...

i) either the sites dont care, because their interest to have as big as turnover in field sizes, i.e. generate maximum rake (this is the likely option)
ii) either they don't have competent staff working for them, who understand that the core problem (2). (Well, this is very likely too. I mean partypoker had Rob Yong supervising, WPN had nanonoko.)


by ezdonkey k

If $300+ tournaments are that easy to beat that you can profit by just using GTOWizard/whatever3rdpartysolversoftware, then...

1) The core problem is not that someone is cheating that way. If cheating is that easy, then there will be two new "cheaters" for every "cheater" gets banned.
2) The core problem is that the game itself should evolve beyond the point where pre-computated charts are rendered useless, e.g. randomized blind structure
3) Why is this not happening, is because...

i) either the sites dont care, because thei

No.


The RTA that Doug Polk mentioned in his video also pretty obviously shows it working on ACR, so there is obviously rampant RTA on ACR.


Timstamp: 1:55


by ezdonkey k

If $300+ tournaments are that easy to beat that you can profit by just using GTOWizard/whatever3rdpartysolversoftware, then...

1) The core problem is not that someone is cheating that way. If cheating is that easy, then there will be two new "cheaters" for every "cheater" gets banned.
2) The core problem is that the game itself should evolve beyond the point where pre-computated charts are rendered useless, e.g. randomized blind structure
3) Why is this not happening, is because...

i) either the sit

A randomized blind structure would need to be guaranteeably fair and ungameable. That's a fairly high bar to pass and I wonder if there's a technically-minded AI out there that could piece something together.

I like your line of thought, like freshening up chess with freestyle, but I don't think this would catch on. And it feels quite gameable in cash games too, though I'd need to hear more.


by blazar k

Best EV for who? for players or for that company? so you're trying to help ACR to solve this issue with easy move, to just ban 1 guy? who might be even innocent, you must be working for that company...

You're punishing a guy not because he used a cheat, you're punishing a guy because GTO wizard showed up in the screenshot, by this you're sending a message "you can cheat but don't be stupid like this guy, just hide it and don't leak it"

Most players here use GTOwizard and im sure some of them have

Of course they need better detection of cheating but that doesn't mean they shouldn't ban him. This is terrible for their business.


by ph_negative k

The RTA that Doug Polk mentioned in his video also pretty obviously shows it working on ACR, so there is obviously rampant RTA on ACR.

Timstamp: 1:55

I feel like ACR software would detect that this is running in the background. At least PS and GG I presume can


by The Standard Station k

I feel like ACR software would detect that this is running in the background. At least PS and GG I presume can

It is a website, so I'm not sure it can be detected like other RTA software. Same way they can't detect you browsing GTO Wizard.


by NormFinkelstein k

Agreed. ACR tweets, Nacho's tweets are legit gold. Can't believe a company and an individual are capable of this much stupidity.

No, I meant you and the rest (most) of 2p2 actually


Tbh if everyone is flipp-mode on gto it evens out and the bots break and we have golden nu age of le Poker


by wazz k

A randomized blind structure would need to be guaranteeably fair and ungameable. That's a fairly high bar to pass and I wonder if there's a technically-minded AI out there that could piece something together.

I like your line of thought, like freshening up chess with freestyle, but I don't think this would catch on. And it feels quite gameable in cash games too, though I'd need to hear more.

What do you mean by that?


Maybe gameable is the wrong term. What about a screenscraper that just reads the blind levels and changes the inputs on the RTA? It doesn't seem a big technological barrier to overcome to the determined.
What even would it look like? Instead of two blinds, we have six different blinds each hand, the average of which is 1.5 each hand, randomly distributed along a preset determination?
How would you leave such a game? Presumably, you would always have a penalty for leaving early, and you give notice for 6 hands for things to even up and then when you leave it transitions to the same system but for 5?
I mean, I see lots of technical issues to overcome and see everything as potentially gameable, and it has to take up popularity too, so it's likely a non-starter.


ACR pros cheating and posting the picture lol incredible


by ejames209 k

ACR pros cheating and posting the picture lol incredible

He's just a goofball and they love him. Fierce competitor too and they promise to have a very speedy investigation to ensure his full innocence and have him back on the tables with you shortly and they take this case more seriously than every other where they banned without defence. Oh and they don't believe he used it to his advantage.


well well well.
This is super LOL!!!


Glad Doug used that clip of Phil Nagy wearing the VR headset while pretending to jerk himself off, pretty much sums this whole situation up


After Pads defended Nacho I have no respect for the guy any more.


by Kebabkungen k

After Pads defended Nacho I have no respect for the guy any more.

I have always felt that Nacho guy is somewhat dislikeable but I'd still trust Pads on the results he gave from his investigation.


by wazz k

Maybe gameable is the wrong term. What about a screenscraper that just reads the blind levels and changes the inputs on the RTA? It doesn't seem a big technological barrier to overcome to the determined.
What even would it look like? Instead of two blinds, we have six different blinds each hand, the average of which is 1.5 each hand, randomly distributed along a preset determination?
How would you leave such a game? Presumably, you would always have a penalty for leaving early, and you give notice

My guess is that the randomized blind structure makes it so, that "trying to leave before your big blind" has less of an impact on your winrate.

Just think of a each hand in vacuum. Everyone starts with 200 big blinds, everyone "antes 1 big blind" and the poker site just randomly spreads out those antes as blinds, dead blinds, straddles and antes in front of players. Obviously someone will get a favorable position (like being the one who has 1,7bb infront himself as an ante), but things will even out on in the long run. And variance is good for the longevity of the game.

Obviously BTN will be the most valuable position in NL and the closer the button you are, the more valuable your position is.

Like in Stud the bring-in the is the lowest card. It's just random who has to pay the bring in and everyone antes the rest. Since there is no button (right? I have played like 50 hands of Stud in my life) it doesn't matter when you leave the table.

In a randomized blind format no one would be forced to play on a "losing position" (SB or BB), since everyone would start the hand down -1 ante/big blind every hand anyway.

And for the argument that recs dislike it or find it difficult, I just don't buy it. Like, I've seen so many times recs posting straddles in GG, or posting dead SB+BB in another networks.


by Kebabkungen k

After Pads defended Nacho I have no respect for the guy any more.

no respect for pads because he gave an objective review of a guy you don’t like?


If you think analyzing with a GTO tool shows you are not cheating as opposed to in the hands looked at he does not appear to play GTO when that would be noticeably different than a standard play but we have no idea if he is engaging in collusion are other forms of cheating you are not very bright.


by ezdonkey k

If $300+ tournaments are that easy to beat that you can profit by just using GTOWizard/whatever3rdpartysolversoftware, then...

1) The core problem is not that someone is cheating that way. If cheating is that easy, then there will be two new "cheaters" for every "cheater" gets banned.
2) The core problem is that the game itself should evolve beyond the point where pre-computated charts are rendered useless, e.g. randomized blind structure
3) Why is this not happening, is because...

i) either the sit

100% this. ideas such as randomized blinds need to be getting serious discussion


by Polarbear1955 k

If you think analyzing with a GTO tool shows you are not cheating as opposed to in the hands looked at he does not appear to play GTO when that would be noticeably different than a standard play but we have no idea if he is engaging in collusion are other forms of cheating you are not very bright.

????? GTO wizard can see the hands you analized in real time on your account.... he was not using the solver when the tournament was running, only before and late that night after mtt ended


by MarkDavis k

He's just a goofball and they love him. Fierce competitor too and they promise to have a very speedy investigation to ensure his full innocence and have him back on the tables with you shortly and they take this case more seriously than every other where they banned without defence. Oh and they don't believe he used it to his advantage.

Fierce competitor is my new favorite poker term. If anything, at least the cheating threads gave us that.


by skiier04 k

100% this. ideas such as randomized blinds need to be getting serious discussion

I’ll put in a plug for my idea of dealing two random dead cards face-up at the start of every hand.


by 4cardfish k

While I would be willing to agree with the only possible outcome of this incident (which will 100% result in a conclusion that no cheating occured), this raises a serious concern about the game integrity online. Poker (esp online) is dying fast af and the morons running ACR are willing to additionally ruin the already decaying game with such an unprofessional and foolish... statement?

Saw that pads (Patrick Leonard) has also come out with a statement regarding this situation which is 10x more re

not just that, before the investigation had even started they seemed to already imply they were going to find him innocent


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