GTO+/CardRunnersEV?

GTO+/CardRunnersEV?

This is the support thread for CardRunnersEV, which is hand EV analysis software.

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16 March 2008 at 05:11 PM
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It is possible to invert it ?? Ex desplay at defult bet size % and when mouse it s over bb ??


by scylla k

Can you specify in some more detail what sort of edit you're looking to perform?

MERGING BET SIZE IN A DATABASE OR BET FREQUENCIES


by scylla k

Can you specify in some more detail what sort of edit you're looking to perform?

CAN YOU ALSO GIME ME SOME ADVICE FOR SPEED UP THE SOLVING PROCESS ???EVERY SIM TAKE ABOUT 5 MINUTES , I KNOW IS HEAVLY DEPENDENT BY THE THREE , BUT I WOLD KNOW IF THERE ARE SOME TRICK I CAN USE WITHOUT SEMPLIFY TOO MUCH THE THREE


by scylla k

After solving, in the editor:
1) Lock the decision, and set it up for editing
2) Click on "Special options"
3) Select the tab "Merging"
4) Select which actions you want to merge, and which action you want to merge into. Accept and close the menu.
5) Double-click on the bar below the matrix to apply the merge to the entire decision.

The merging method is not a good option because this tool does not generate a correct EV or range construction. I'll give an example:

Original Sim: split B33 B150… where the hands that go into B33 are thin value.

If I only merge B150, many of the hands that were in B33 would go to check instead of B150.

Additionally, some hands in the B33 line will be pure since it's the action with the highest EV, and there will also be hands in B150 with the same characteristic.

If you have three sizings and want to choose two, a serious issue arises. If you have two sizings and want to choose one, you lose some EV.

The ideal approach is to structure it with negative incentives, as mentioned earlier.

If this could be applied from the flop in database mode, you would maintain the agg reports and build theoretically correct strategies without being exploitable on future streets.


Afrter i solved a database how can i simplify the tree of a sim solve it again and then add it again to the database ???


Hi scylla,
There are still no plans to implement a CLI/API into GTO+, correct?


Trying to use the "Drill the current decision" option with "Play versus database" but it's not working as i thought it would. Using version 1.7.4.

I choose the line, in this case, X/CB/C on the Flop, X/CB/C on the Turn, and then i want to drill just the River. The thing is, for some reason, i only get two Flops and even then it's not consistent. I get AA2 Flop a bunch of times in a row, then i get KQ9 one time and get back to AA2 again. I have 166 unique Flops on the database.

The only two Flops i'm getting, but it's mostly AA2:


All Flops selected:


Database of 166 individual flops/files loaded:


EDIT:

I'm guessing over here: since the standard subset is of 164 Flops and i have 166, that i have created this two extra Flops recently in some new version of GTO+ that introduce this drill function. Right? If i want to use that function on old databases, do i have to solve it again?

EDIT 2:

Good guess, i guess:



i save some falite in temp and then try to marge it into a database but this error occur



by Hilips k

EDIT 2:

Good guess, i guess:

Didn't work. Keeps showing the same two Flops over and over again. Removing those two Flops, then it works on all other 164.


by Hilips k

Didn't work. Keeps showing the same two Flops over and over again. Removing those two Flops, then it works on all other 164.

You have probably assigned a very high weight to the other two flops.
Because of this, these two flops are chosen much more often.

If you want to work with the 166 flop database, then it's probably best to reset the weights for the entire database.

For this:
1) Go to "Run solver"
2) Click on the "Weights" icon
3) Click on "Normalize"
4) Accept

Should the issue persist, then please send a savefile to support.



by Darden k

i save some falite in temp and then try to marge it into a database but this error occur

If the directory that you're using is complex (unusual characters, spaces, etc), then it's possible for a small typo to cause the directory not to be recognized.
Can you try a simple directory like C:/tmp?


by Marecki k

Hi scylla,
There are still no plans to implement a CLI/API into GTO+, correct?

We don't discuss development plans, so unfortunately I can't answer this question.


by Darden k

Afrter i solved a database how can i simplify the tree of a sim solve it again and then add it again to the database ???

For this:

1) Go to the editor
2) Click on "IMPORT TREE"
3) Make any changes as you see fit
4) Click on "ACCEPT CHANGES"
5) Go to "Run solver"
6) Click on "Add current tree"

Depending on what you mean by "how can i simplify the tree of a sim", instead of points 1-4, you can also build the same tree again with simpler settings in the tree builder.

See the screenshots below.




by Mates. k

The merging method is not a good option because this tool does not generate a correct EV or range construction. I'll give an example:
Original Sim: split B33 B150… where the hands that go into B33 are thin value.
If I only merge B150, many of the hands that were in B33 would go to check instead of B150.
Additionally, some hands in the B33 line will be pure since it's the action with the highest EV, and there will also be hands in B150 with the same characteristic.
If you have three sizings and

It sort of depends on the interpretation of the question asked by Darden, but this would indeed be an alternative method.


by Darden k

CAN YOU ALSO GIME ME SOME ADVICE FOR SPEED UP THE SOLVING PROCESS ???EVERY SIM TAKE ABOUT 5 MINUTES , I KNOW IS HEAVLY DEPENDENT BY THE THREE , BUT I WOLD KNOW IF THERE ARE SOME TRICK I CAN USE WITHOUT SEMPLIFY TOO MUCH THE THREE

If you can send a savefile of a tree to support, I'll check for you whether there's any improvements that can be made.


by Darden k

MERGING BET SIZE IN A DATABASE OR BET FREQUENCIES

If you want to merge the bet sizes, then it's probably easier to just build a new database, with the unwanted bet sizes removed.

For this, double-click any tree in the database to load it.

Then:
1) Go to the editor.
2) Click on "IMPORT TREE"
3) Remove any unwanted bet sizes
4) Click on "ACCEPT CHANGES"
5) Go to "Run solver"
6) Click on "Rebuild database"

You have now created a new database from the edited tree.




by Darden k

It is possible to invert it ?? Ex desplay at defult bet size % and when mouse it s over bb ??

Not at the moment, but I will make a note of your request, and we will keep it in mind the next time we circle back to the interface.


Scylla,
I need to run each solve with four sizes and then individually for each size.
So one with four sizes one with g2. one with g3, etc. Will either of the methods you described accomplish that?


by tommyaces k

Scylla,
I need to run each solve with four sizes and then individually for each size.
So one with four sizes one with g2. one with g3, etc. Will either of the methods you described accomplish that?

I assume that you're referring to post #14562, for merging databases together?
Both methods will work.
For your purposes, the second method of manually merging is probably the most straightforward.


Can someone give me some setup for building a three on srp ??? I have 32 gb of ram and a good cpu but i d like to not go more larger than 5 minutes , thanks !!!


by Darden k

Can someone give me some setup for building a three on srp ??? I have 32 gb of ram and a good cpu but i d like to not go more larger than 5 minutes , thanks !!!

If you can send a savefile to support with any tree that you've built, then we'll see if we can provide feedback on this.


Is there a way to solve a database of flop ex .33 flop subset with 5 bet size
Then simplyfy it to monosize based on the solver size more used , then take all this simplified flop and paste a complex turn and river three on all the database of flop and calculate them ??


by Darden k

Is there a way to solve a database of flop ex .33 flop subset with 5 bet size

Yes, you can create a database with 33 flops with 5 bet sizes each.

by Darden k

Then simplyfy it to monosize based on the solver size more used

For this, you would need to figure out which bet size is most often used.
This is most easily done in the database report.
Use the navigator on top to go to the decision with the multiple bet sizes.
And check below the table which frequency is the highest.

See the screenshot below.

After that, build the new tree with the intended bet size, go to "Run solver" and rebuild the database with the button "Rebuild database".
Or just delete the database and build a new one.
A new database is now created from the newly created active tree.


by Darden k

then take all this simplified flop and paste a complex turn and river three on all the database of flop and calculate them ??

You could again rebuild the database for a new tree, but the flop solution would not be copied from the old database to the new one.
I'll see if we can add this for v175.


For the trainer, are the turn and river cards random? Or are you intentionally creating situations that are more challenging?
Thanks.


by asif00 k

For the trainer, are the turn and river cards random? Or are you intentionally creating situations that are more challenging?
Thanks.

The turn and river are drawn randomly.

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