GTO+/CardRunnersEV?

GTO+/CardRunnersEV?

This is the support thread for CardRunnersEV, which is hand EV analysis software.

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16 March 2008 at 05:11 PM
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by Yangkk k

Please help me reset all keys of ***

Ok, I have taken care of this.
However, please be somewhat careful of posting your e-mail address in a public forum.


Instead of having to node lock individual solutions, would there be a broad way to apply a set selection of either frequencies or defined %s for hand class categories? If I could set either a response to eg raise 10% of time or raise x% with set/tp/fll/etc like you would in a single tree would be absolutely amazing!


by 1BigOT k

Instead of having to node lock individual solutions, would there be a broad way to apply a set selection of either frequencies or defined %s for hand class categories? If I could set either a response to eg raise 10% of time or raise x% with set/tp/fll/etc like you would in a single tree would be absolutely amazing!

This may not be possible to achieve from a technical/mathematical viewpoint, but we'll make a note of your request, and see if we can make it work.


by scylla k

This may not be possible to achieve from a technical/mathematical viewpoint, but we'll make a note of your request, and see if we can make it work.

Unless I am misunderstanding the question, those setups are already available in CREV vs GTO+ (e.g. raise TP+ 10%).


by BJohnson56 k

Unless I am misunderstanding the question, those setups are already available in CREV vs GTO+ (e.g. raise TP+ 10%).

He meant something else.



Scy, can you add some menu of custom hotkeys for action for the trainer?

Like if someone want to bet with "1"2"3"4" or "q"w"e"r"t" or check/call with "c", fold with f, etc... but made a menu for put a custom hotkeys.. will nice, thanks!


by Mates. k


Scy, can you add some menu of custom hotkeys for action for the trainer?
Like if someone want to bet with "1"2"3"4" or "q"w"e"r"t" or check/call with "c", fold with f, etc... but made a menu for put a custom hotkeys.. will nice, thanks!

Ok, we will consider it for future releases.


hello i encoutered bug with A option, when i use this config for turn for OOP player:
25d,g2d,30c,75c,150c,g2c,30p,75p,150p,g2p,A
all sizings work as described, but there is no ai option in all nodes on turn somehow, can you check it?

edit: when i use Ap,Ac it works for probe and cbet, but if i use Ac,Ap,Ad it will merge just to A and there is no AI in any node


by magorko k

hello i encoutered bug with A option, when i use this config for turn for OOP player:
25d,g2d,30c,75c,150c,g2c,30p,75p,150p,g2p,A
all sizings work as described, but there is no ai option in all nodes on turn somehow, can you check it?

edit: when i use Ap,Ac it works for probe and cbet, but if i use Ac,Ap,Ad it will merge just to A and there is no AI in any node

Ok, thank you for pointing this out.
We'll take care of this for the next release.


hello one more bug regarding hand history export:

PokerStars Hand #476: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2023/01/01 0:07:55
Table '#1' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Inactive ($100.00 in chips)
Seat 2: Villain ($100.25 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero ($100.25 in chips)
Villain: posts small blind $0.01
Hero: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ah 4h]
Inactive: folds
Villain: raises $2.54 to $2.55
Hero: calls $2.53
*** FLOP *** [4s 3s 3d]
Villain: checks
Hero: bets $1.53
Villain: folds
Uncalled bet ($1.53) returned to Hero
Hero: shows [Ah 4h]
Hero collected $5.10 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5.10
Board [4s 3s 3d 7h 5s]
Seat 3: Hero (big blind) showed [Ah 4h] and won ($5.10)

this is export by GTO+, as you can see blinds are 1/2 cents but stacks are 100, so blinds should be 0.5/1

also feature request: can you make feature that will automatically create requested amount of hand history without making solver playing against himself through play against solution?

idea: when clicking file and there is load selection of files from directories, lets say under it would be create hand history from folder, so this way i can point it to folder with 1755 boards and it would generate hhs from this folder, while keep weights of each board so when i import them to tracker i have good representation of all boards as they should be based on being mono, two tone, rainbow or paired etc

also can you do quick fix for that A option please, i was going to solve 1755 boards solutions and this all in option is big miss for me, some scenarios pot get huge on turn and if there is not ai option its not good


by magorko k

hello one more bug regarding hand history export:
PokerStars Hand #476: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2023/01/01 0:07:55
Table '#1' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Inactive ($100.00 in chips)
Seat 2: Villain ($100.25 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero ($100.25 in chips)
Villain: posts small blind $0.01
Hero: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ah 4h]
Inactive: folds
Villain: raises $2.54 to $2.55
Hero: calls $2.53
*** FLOP *** [4s 3s 3d]
Villain: checks
Hero: bets $1.53
Villain: folds
Uncalled bet

Based on the the information in the tree builder, the blinds aren't actually defined anywhere.
We could add a feature so that the blinds could be set, specifically for the purposes of creating a hand history, but this will probably lead to confusion for users elsewhere.
For the moment, in the hand history, we essentially set the blinds as 0.

by magorko k

also feature request: can you make feature that will automatically create requested amount of hand history without making solver playing against himself through play against solution?

We will consider it for future releases, although I'm not entirely certain how large the userbase for this feature would be.

by magorko k

also can you do quick fix for that A option please, i was going to solve 1755 boards solutions and this all in option is big miss for me, some scenarios pot get huge on turn and if there is not ai option its not good

Ok, we have taken care of this for v165.


During my solution, I used a 3970x and a 7950x, 64 threads, 3.9hz and 32 threads, 4.9hz respectively. The solution speed is not accelerated during the measurement process. The main frequency of the CPU is more important than the number of cores. ?


by Yangkk k

During my solution, I used a 3970x and a 7950x, 64 threads, 3.9hz and 32 threads, 4.9hz respectively. The solution speed is not accelerated during the measurement process. The main frequency of the CPU is more important than the number of cores. ?

As a rule of thumb, the calculation speed will roughly be the CPU speed, multiplied by the number of cores.
However, as the number of cores increases, the more challenging it will be to balance all the available tasks across the available cores.
So, indeed, the calculation speed is determined to a larger extent by the CPU speed.
Other than that, CPUs with a very high number of cores are usually designed to be used as servers, and may not be optimized for high performance computing.


What is the box, next to the lock in the picture below?



by scylla k

As a rule of thumb, the calculation speed will roughly be the CPU speed, multiplied by the number of cores.
However, as the number of cores increases, the more challenging it will be to balance all the available tasks across the available cores.
So, indeed, the calculation speed is determined to a larger extent by the CPU speed.
Other than that, CPUs with a very high number of cores are usually designed to be used as servers, and may not be optimized for high performance computing.

Can you list a ranking of CPU solving speeds? This will be of great help to users purchasing CPUs. I tested Threadripper and Ryzen separately. i spent a lot of money


by BJohnson56 k

What is the box, next to the lock in the picture below?

its a form of "weight"of the combo. more intense, +weight. less intense - weight)


by Yangkk k

Can you list a ranking of CPU solving speeds? This will be of great help to users purchasing CPUs. I tested Threadripper and Ryzen separately. i spent a lot of money

We don't have databases with CPU solving speeds, so this is not something that we can offer.


by BJohnson56 k

What is the box, next to the lock in the picture below?

The intensity corresponds with the number of combos for each hand.
So it's just a quick visual indicator.
The exact number of combos for each hand can be found under the tab "Combos (F1)".


by scylla k

This may not be possible to achieve from a technical/mathematical viewpoint, but we'll make a note of your request, and see if we can make it work.

Maybe take a look if "incentive" functionality of Piosolver. It seems to be near of this idea.


by shetu k

Maybe take a look if "incentive" functionality of Piosolver. It seems to be near of this idea.

A feature along those lines will be available in v165.


Is it possible to view EV and Equity difference in the Turn and River Report heat maps? Rather than showing the raw EV/Equity for each card, I'd like to be able to see the difference in EV or Equity each card represents for IP and OOP. The colors are nice but somewhat misleading with EV. In one example 6h is green with 4.33 EV for player 1 and orange with 4.30 EV for player 2. Being able to see +.03 or -.03 would make comparing the favorability of the turn card a little easier.


by simplelessons k

Is it possible to view EV and Equity difference in the Turn and River Report heat maps? Rather than showing the raw EV/Equity for each card, I'd like to be able to see the difference in EV or Equity each card represents for IP and OOP. The colors are nice but somewhat misleading with EV. In one example 6h is green with 4.33 EV for player 1 and orange with 4.30 EV for player 2. Being able to see +.03 or -.03 would make comparing the favorability of the turn card a little easier.

Yes, I think that we can adjust it, so that the same scale is used for IP and OOP.


Hey Scylla. I've been using the "Play Agaisnt Solution" feature since it was released and it has been working fine until a few weeks ago, when it started to crash very often and then closing the application. It happens when I'm in the trainer, then click on the strategies to analyze the hands I'm drilling, then when I click back on the Play Against Solution button it simple crashes. How can I fix it? It doesn't happen on every hand, but sometimes I play 5-10 hands then it crashes.




It would be great if you could retry mistakes in the trainner just by clicking. And it would be amazing if you could replay the "marked" hands just by clicking also.


by carlos243 k

It would be great if you could retry mistakes in the trainner just by clicking. And it would be amazing if you could replay the "marked" hands just by clicking also.

Ok, we will consider it for future releases.

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