President Donald Trump

I "cherry picked" you say

Italy functional literacy is embarrassingly low and far lower than America, one of the lowest of the OECD.

it's mostly a function of old uneducated people losing basic reading comprehension though, and low IQ people existing with life becoming more complex by the day.

This is just a suggestion, but based on this conversation it might be a good idea for you to do a little more looking and reading besides just copy pasting the first google AI answer.

legitimate violence is still violence. private place owners can violently kick you away in my universe and they have all rights to do so.

still violence.

not if the person I am answering to literally told me to Google literacy rates no.

I did what he literally asked me to do, and he was wrong *under his own description of the action I had to take to understand I was wrong*.

i translated the question literally into Italian for people here in the past and not a single person even vaguely thought it was about yearly entrances. (I asked them after they answered).

they all thought it obviously was about the current level of total immigrants in the country, as I do.

normal people consider someone you allowed in 4 years ago "someone you let in", not a done thing and they only care about future entrants.

Now do the functional literacy of the countries you listed. You know what I meant... and that's why this is a waste. Anyone engaging w/ you is just wasting their time, because you're more interested in winning a conversation, than having an honest conversation.

It's about education... this is the biggest indicator of liberal democracy. It's called liberal democracy because...

Philippines has made HUGE strides in literacy and eduction, and it's a huge reason they've become an outsource resource for english speaking countries.

But seriously.. I'm going to watch the Lakers game now. lol

The first image above states, "immigration" at the top.
The second image above states, "should we allow more immigrants to move to our country, fewer immigrants, or about the same as we do now?"

Again, I would interpret this as asking people whether they want the # of immigrants moving to their country to: increase/decrease/same. I would -NOT- interpret this as asking people whether they want to the total number of immigrants currently living in the country to: increase/decrease/same. I believe you are interpreting it as the latter, whereas I and Willd are interpreting it as the former.

I also noticed that the graph bar representation does not include the "DK/Refused" votes which I find a little weird, but this is a side point.

you are definitely misreading the question and exposing your usual wharping of statistics to conform to your views.

Lucy is an expert statistician, please don't tell him how to read garps pls.

Now imagine when he explained he was more qualified than doctors to analyse COVID data.

Please don’t remind us .
That conversation was atrocious .
Props to gorgo being so patient

Well it’s funny you felt oppressed with all the hate speech you can spew sometimes …which you probably did there.

It’s like a religious zealot complaining about discrimination against him because he keep making discriminatory comments by promoting his religious pov .

Ring a bell ?
Hint: « all leftist are the most evil in this world and should be put to death » .
Or something similar .

The anti-war, anti-mic, Peace guys must be out searching for talking points 😀

Banned by leftist subreddit -> I was an oppressed minority and victim of violent mistreatment ♥

I mean sure but in that case turnabout is fairplay, and rightists will abuse it harder than the left ever did. just like they did with political correctness and obscenity laws and mccarthyism back in the day.

that’s why the left absolutely needs a return to free exchange of ideas over bullying and mockery.

You mean like truth social or X ?
FWIW the left ( not just the left but even centrist) here at least made many attempt by free exchange while being answered by mockery and name calling ….you need names ?

But in the end the stupidity end up being so high u just have to laugh back about it too.

I've never heard of mathematics usage (calculations) being considered a part of literacy. That would definitely explain a lot of the difference.

By "kicking you away" you mean banning you from their privately owned platform? Or am I completely misunderstanding you?

I have had a temp ban from 2+2 in the past. I wasn't happy about it, but I certainly didn't experience what I would consider "violence".
That idea is just as ridiculous as those on the left claiming that "silence is violence".

Would be nice. I remember that video of Yale students arguing with that professor over Halloween costumes and thinking how crazy it was. Not necessarily their politics but their behavior. Then I watched as that kind of behavior became the norm. It's cooled down these past couple of years, but a lot of damage has been done, and now we're in the current situation. Things definitely won't get better until we're able to disagree about ideas and argue about those rather than trying to dunk on each other. Have to admit that I've done my share of dunking, but sooner or later, hopefully, enough individuals on both sides of the aisle will realize their own cruelty and see that it's a road to nowhere.

The wording in the bar graph is a bit ambiguous, and I can see how it could be interpreted in the way Luciom understood it.

But the wording in the number chart is clearly referring to the entry of new immigrants. Immigrants only "move to our country" once, after that they stay in our country.

No "functionally literate" native speaker of English could interpret that in a different way, and the quote marks strongly imply that the actual question was worded that way".

That being said, I suppose the question could have been changed by poor translations, but IMO that seems unlikely to have happened here.

I pretty much agree with your comment but always took issue with the "It's a privately owned platform" argument. Not because it isn't accurate or that they're legally obligated to host all opinions, but because it does nothing to address the concerns many of us have about free speech.

In today's world, the large social media platforms are where voices have the most reach, and if certain kinds of speech are censored or amplified by those in charge, it gives them an incredible mount of power at the expense of we the people. The internet and social media are relatively new, and we haven't hashed things out.

It makes sense that ownership should allow for censorship. Allowing everyone to paint slogans on your house makes little sense.

However, for free speech to hold value we actually need a public sphere to speak in. These enormous social media platforms are in effect privatization of the public sphere. Free speech gets diminished when you give hand away the power to decide who gets the mic and who hears the speech.

The traditional counter-argument has been that it is voluntary to be on these platforms. However, this argument falls flat when you see that leaders of government, institutions and corporations are not only present on these platforms, but it is also evident that the platforms play a huge role in the decisions these people make. For many of them it obviously plays a bigger part than traditional public venues of assembly.

There is of course also the dystopian element of our interaction with the world being decided by a machine designed to present information in a manner which makes you addicted, so that it can sell more ads.

there is the option of treating the biggest ones as monopolies which wouldn't be absurd.

if they are monopolies you can diminish/eliminate their censorship powers.

wouldn't apply to reddit though, especially to specific subreddit censorship choices.

or in the USA there is section 230, you can decide it only applies to platforms that don't censor content which is legal in their jurisdictions. that would be only fair, as censorship is a form of curation and once you curate content, the idea you are not legally responsible for it is bizzarre.

in a 2 parties/ 2 ideologies system, it's expected for the dominant ideology to be far less in favor of free speech than the non dominant one.

dominant here refers to actual institutional power not democratic counting of heads in the country.