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President Donald Trump

I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?

So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at

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28 April 2019 at 04:18 AM
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by coordi k

Luciom doesn't realize that many subreddits will auto ban you simply for having posts in places like conservative

I'm sure conservative is one of the more moderate subs that he frequents

I actually thought that could have been the case which is why I tried to post innocuously for like 2 days to see if it was true, but it wasn't.

I imagine the reason is they would autoban brigading people so they don't want to do that.

conservative is kinda boring for me, i monitor it occasionally to check the vibes in some sense, but there isn't much to learn there other than what it is on normal center right people mind in the USA at a given moment in time.

their takes are pretty vanilla and just replicas of what you get from normal right-wing accounts on Twitter days before


by Brokenstars k

Options here are:

fewer
same
more

I would interpret "same" to mean the same amount of immigration/year -not- "do not allow anyone else in full stop."

it's not per year. it's about how many foreign born total you want around.

fewer means you would be happy to kick some/many of them away and never take anyone in anymore



by Luciom k

I didn't miss the word "developed" , I contested it was appropriate to think social media should reflect the first world, because developing countries *are online* this isn't 2005.

also, while for ECONOMIC POLICY you are fairly right, you seem to need to be reminded daily that in the first world people hate immigration more than in the USA.

in most European countries every single year for the last 20+ years polls said absolute majorities wanted no more immigration. like literally no more at all, l

I try to have patience, but seriously man.... yes less developed countries are online, do you think people on those countries have tons of time and care about commenting on these topics? I don't see any evidence of it. I usually read, fairly well written critiques and comments - indicating well-educated people in developed countries.

Are you seeing otherwise?

Ah... so people don't want immigration, that means they are all to the right.

What are we even talking about?

I think you're struggling to accept reality... you want to believe everyone is on your "side" about these issues.

They aren't homie... sorry to be the first one to break this news to you.


by Luciom k

it's not per year. it's about how many foreign born total you want around.

fewer means you would be happy to kick some/many of them away and never take anyone in anymore

Are you actually not reading the graphs you posted (twice)?


by FreakDaddy k

I try to have patience, but seriously man.... yes less developed countries are online, do you think people on those countries have tons of time and care about commenting on these topics? I don't see any evidence of it. I usually read, fairly well written critiques and comments - indicating well-educated people in developed countries.

Are you seeing otherwise?

Ah... so people don't want immigration, that means they are all to the right.

What are we even talking about?

I think you're struggling to ac

wow the racism is really showing here.

you think a middle class Brazilian, Mexican or indian can't write well written critiques and comments? you think a cashier register worker in Sao Paulo or Jakarta won't comment online same as the nail salon employee in Berlin? the actual ****?

I saw floods of indians entering the comments everywhere in social media over the H1B debate , more than I expect Europeans cared about for obvious reasons.

I regularly see developing countries users telling us we are completely crazy to take in low skilled immigration from countries they ban basically completly from their own motherlands.

I know very well I am in a tiny minority (worldwide , and in the first world) with regards to economic libertarian ideas. except Milei got elected that is, but it's just one case.

but you want to claim "the world" is to the left of the USA, you have to limit that claim about economic policy and redistribution.

you have to admit for most/all cultural issues that's simply false.

according to leftist definitions and using their labelsz the developing world is exceptionally racist for example.

And mysoginistic.

all things you routinetclaim right-wing people on the USA are. because you are projecting on me your actual take: you want to believe your preferences are widely agreed upon worldwide.

they might be when ittabout to tax the rich, they definitely aren't when it's about women rights and racism.


by Luciom k

it's not per year. it's about how many foreign born total you want around.

fewer means you would be happy to kick some/many of them away and never take anyone in anymore

I don't think you are interpreting it correctly.

As an example, if the # of immigrants moving into a country in a year was 100,000, then given the following options of

"fewer"
"same"
"more"

"fewer" would be any amount less than the current rate--basically anything less than "100,000" in this hypothetical example. This would include individuals being happy to kick some/many away and "never take anyone in anymore", but it would also include individuals only wanting 90,000 immigrants/yr rather than 100,000. I apologize for being somewhat pedantic here, but I think it is an important point to clarify.


wait...we are stuck with LiL' Mussolini because not even reddit would deal with his bullshit?

can we opt out too?


by Luciom k

wow the racism is really showing here.

you think a middle class Brazilian, Mexican or indian can't write well written critiques and comments? you think a cashier register worker in Sao Paulo or Jakarta won't comment online same as the nail salon employee in Berlin? the actual ****?

I saw floods of indians entering the comments everywhere in social media over the H1B debate , more than I expect Europeans cared about for obvious reasons.

I regularly see developing countries users telling us we are co

Nice try. You're exhausting and nonsensical.

Lucy... people in less developed countries, ARE LESS DEVELOPED precisely because they don't have as much access to education, healtcare, workers rights, etc...

Google... what are the literacy rates of developed countries compared to non-developed countries.

This has ZERO to do with race. Your whole rant is.... dumb.

I'm out kids... have a good week.



by FreakDaddy k

Nice try. You're exhausting and nonsensical.

Lucy... people in less developed countries, ARE LESS DEVELOPED precisely because they don't have as much access to education, healtcare, workers rights, etc...

Google... what are the literacy rates of developed countries compared to non-developed countries.

This has ZERO to do with race. Your whole rant is.... dumb.

I'm out kids... have a good week.


I did as you asked and... not looking pretty for your racist take about Brazilians not being able to contribute to online discourse as much as Americans.


Thats pretty good evidence that Brazil is emerging from the developing world, actually


by Luciom k

I did as you asked and... not looking pretty for your racist take about Brazilians not being able to contribute to online discourse as much as Americans.

Ahh.. I see the problem now. You have a reading comprehension problem.

I never said that.

I said, developed countries tend to be more liberal and are more literate.

You decided to cherry pick Brazil, which has the highest literacy of a country that is considered borderline developed/non-developed.

Good for you Lucy. Well done... what do you think you accomplished?

Don't bother answering... don't care. You're just wasting my time making crazy accusations because you want attention.


So today Lucy called out the Trump admin and people racists?
Hacked?


by coordi k

Thats pretty good evidence that Brazil is emerging from the developing world, actually

Pretty amazing for Brazil and pretty disappointing for America.


by Brokenstars k

Pretty amazing for Brazil and pretty disappointing for America.

My wife is a literacy coach. America is going backwards in terms of comprehension.

~99% of Americans can read and write at a basic level. Only 79% of U.S. adults are considered functionally literate.


by FreakDaddy k

My wife is a literacy coach. America is going backwards in terms of comprehension.

~99% of Americans can read and write at a basic level. Only 79% of U.S. adults are considered functionally literate.

What are the main reasons your wife (and you) think that is happening? Do you think it is occurring in other countries at similar rates, say Canada for example, or do you/she think it is mostly occurring in just America?


by Luciom k

it's not per year. it's about how many foreign born total you want around.

fewer means you would be happy to kick some/many of them away and never take anyone in anymore

Did you simply not read the full question or is your comprehension of English really so bad that you actually think that's the case? It is very explicitly talking about the number of immigrants that are allowed to move to the country and how that number should change relative to the current number who are allowed to move to the country.

It is quite trivally and unambigously about immigration rate, not absolute numbers of immigrants in the country, and the fact it was even conceivable to you that it might be the latter with those numbers shows how utterly warped your view of political reality is.


by Brokenstars k

What are the main reasons your wife (and you) think that is happening? Do you think it is occurring in other countries at similar rates, say Canada for example, or do you/she think it is mostly occurring in just America?

I'd have to ask her. She's spent a large part of her life in this world, and writes curriculum on reading and writing. We talk about a lot of things, but not about which countries are going backwards and why.



I don't understand where it says US has 99 literacy rate, but then says, "with 21% of adults considered functionally illiterate."


by Brokenstars k

I don't understand where it says US has 99 literacy rate, but then says, "with 21% of adults considered functionally illiterate."

The U.S. doesn’t test for functional literacy in the same way every country does. Countries w/ higher immigration rates can have a higher % of the population that is literate - can read and write, but struggle with applying it in real world situations WELL - like filing out job applications, reading bus schedules, understanding medication instructions, etc...

Since Brazil was brought up, it has the same issues. Only ~70% of its population would be considered functionally literate.


by Brokenstars k

I don't understand where it says US has 99 literacy rate, but then says, "with 21% of adults considered functionally illiterate."

I'm guessing it's probably based on these UNESCO definitions:

A person is literate who can with understanding both read and write a short simplestatement on his everyday life.

A person is functionally literate who can engage in all those activities in which literacy is required for effective functioning of his group and community and also for enabling him to continue to use reading, writing and calculation for his own and the community’s development.

So a person can be in the first category but not the second, which would make up the difference (but I don't know exactly how the measures/estimates of the specific levels are made).


by Luciom k

I don't know of any but I am banned in like 15+ leftist subreddits, often after just a few posts.

as I explained they don't need that. they already own the place militarily so they can pretend to let you in then autoban you (and give your name to black lists run by leftists).

they can't be brigaded, they are the brigade.

when you are an oppressed minority being violently mistreated (like the right was on every social media for years, now it isn't on Twitter), and the owner of the place blatantly d

Now come on, I can even understand your logic behind taxes being violence (potential for physical restraint or other unwanted treatment), but now people are the victims of violence because of the way their posts on social media are treated?


by FreakDaddy k

The U.S. doesn’t test for functional literacy in the same way every country does. Countries w/ higher immigration rates can have a higher % of the population that is literate - can read and write, but struggle with applying it in real world situations WELL - like filing out job applications, reading bus schedules, understanding medication instructions, etc...

Since Brazil was brought up, it has the same issues. Only ~70% of its population would be considered functionally literate.

by Willd k

I'm guessing it's probably based on these UNESCO definitions:

So a person can be in the first category but not the second, which would make up the difference (but I don't know exactly how the measures/estimates of the specific levels are made).

Thank you for the clarification. Based on these definitions I would be literate in Spanish, but functionally illiterate.


by Brokenstars k

Thank you for the clarification. Based on these definitions I would be literate in Spanish, but functionally illiterate.

Np... same for me in Japanese, Spanish, and Italian. 😀


by weeeez k

So today Lucy called out the Trump admin and people racists?
Hacked?

I always called a portion of maga racist, nativists are true racists, Bannon is the racist in chief.

I have been blatantly clear about that during the H1B debate.

I have qualms with the claims of white supremacy applied to the admin because it simply doesn't work for most of them but that's a different issue.

I know some of your tribe (not you necessarily?) use negative labels fairly randomly, but those people actually think a black American is inherently more worthy morally because he is American than a capable Indonesian or Serbian or Kenyan immigrant.

That's racism under current "modern" definitions even if it's not literally about race itself.


by coordi k

Thats pretty good evidence that Brazil is emerging from the developing world, actually

ok still they are a ton of people and their political opinions aren't exactly what freakdaddy would call leftist for all major topics

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