The "LOLCANADA" thread...again

How exactly does that work ?
It’s the American that buy more outside their country to have a trade deficit o0?
Why ?
Because u have the biggest debt and can print unlimited money and then u complain about friendly trade partners it’s our fault .?

How could Canada buy has much as the us with ~1/10th of their economy ?
And as arctic told you ….debt per capita.

yikes PP really reaching lmao

Let me take a different stab at why Shifty is being just so pissy about.....everything.

Is the issue that I used "fighting" rhetoric when trump declared economic war on us, and then the Liberals used that same kind of rhetoric (and Doug Ford etc) and gained 25% in the polls and what went from an all-but-guaranteed win for Poilievre has switched into a toss-up at best? And thus Shifty is very very very angry at anyone using "fighting" rhetoric like "elbows up"?

Is that all it is?

Please dear mindreader shifty, come tell us, why are you so mad?

thread aptly titled with carnival at 64%

When have I ever said I'm voting for Poilivere? I've never voted Conservative in federal election in my life. You thinking I'm mad at anything is just LOL, maybe stop the mind reading posts and stick to the dear diary posts about how sad you are.

Lol, you really voting PPC? Ha, I hope you convince many of your right wing brethren to do the same!

Yes not mad. Just a totally bizarre obsession with anyone who uses any type of fighting rhetoric like “elbows up” when a trade war was declared on us. While ignoring the sloganeering of uh the uh side you never criticize while being aghast at the idea you actually support them.

Who knows, the election is a long time away and a lot can change. I'm not a zealot that performs mental gymnastics to support whatever my chosen party decides to do (cough carbon tax cough). Again who knows I played a lot of hockey, maybe I'll get my elbows up to after the debates.

Not really bizarre or an obsession. You are the one who obsessively mentions me in a post when I haven't posted in 5 days.

lol I’m what way do you think my position on the carbon tax has changed?

I have no idea what you are even trying to say about debates and elbows and who you are claiming to vote for, maybe try articulating a coherent political position for once instead of this endless smarmy attempts at mockery.

It seems you intentionally left out a sentence in your description of the equalization program.

Yes, federal taxes. Don't you think that how the Gov redistributes federal taxes from people in each province is at the core of the matter?

It seems you either don't know where the equalization money comes from (taxes), or you do and would rather pretend you don't because it does not support any points you are trying to make. Neither is a good look if you are trying to make factual counterpoints.

Also, Alberta's GDP per capita is 97K and Quebec's is 65K. Excluding the 3 Territories, Alberta is 1st and Quebec is 5th.

Goldstein says it well Liberals screwing the west as usual .

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/other/gol...

Lol, this is kind of a hilarious piece. Read it carefully. Notice how among the laundry list of historical greviences there is basically zero mention of Carney - like at all? A few times she says "Carney-Trudeau liberals" to I guess desperately try to link the two together, but there is actually zero mention of anything Carney has said or claims to do with regards to the west that is actually relevant today.

So the characterization of liberals screwed the west "as usual" is silly. This is a (bad) list of past offenses, not really relevant to the current prime minister.

Ok so why you would make a distinction with revenues coming from natural ressources and revenues from manufacturing for example ?
That is the point !

Again …

trying to link ressources with equalization paying for anything like lozen imply is dumb .

So I didn’t left out anything worthwhile mentioning .
Yes government perceive tax through many ways and do some redistribution , so what ? what is the point focusing on ressources revenues ?

So I don’t see what you try to imply artic

Ok so what ?
How do Quebec massively benefit more then anyone else ?
So yes in Canada it’s a progressive income tax base that it’s redistributed all over the place from cities , provincial to federal shrug .

Fwiw , since u use per capita basis , tell me how bad Quebec doing with the “equalization program” compare to others ?

https://lop.parl.ca/staticfiles/PublicWe...

The concept that Quebec gets rich with the equalization program is funny .
Quebec has lot because it got the second most populated province by far and so have far more poor people to take care of …

Here is a thought, I would gladly send to Alberta 1 million of the poorest population from Quebec .
Alberta would stop “paying” since their cost of social service line healthcare would go up massively and would receive money Instead .
You would get all the problems that goes with it tho …
U want ? I’ll switch it anytime !
I’m sure the way it is now is most probably the best !
Especially when you already are at the top .

This campaign feels like Obama 2008.

If it is, the results are going to mirror that...

meanwhile the conservative campaign keeps getting leaks of utter dysfunction like this:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservatives-campaign-civil-war-party-1.7497029

CBC

Conservatives fear 'dysfunctional' campaign and 'civil war' in the party: sources | CBC News

So this is my working theory. Firstly, knives come out when things are bad, happened under Trudeau mot surprising to see some now for CPC. The issue is for two years the federal CPC has been really a two person show, poilievre publicly and Jenni privately. And it’s been both very tight control, top down not bottom up, and insistence on messaging homogeneity. Remember the issue with housing acceleration fund and slapping down the MPs who wanted to talk about projects under the fund they helped with? That was part of it. So part of why you are seeing people like teneycke and the Ontario cons side publicly stick it in the face of Jenni Byrne is a reaction to this.

Amazing analysis. You truly are talented! How the liberals haven't hired you is beyond me, might cost them the election. A total of 6 "conservatives"...

As a PPC supporter you should be thrilled that major CPC insiders like teneycke are airing their dirty laundry publicly during an election. Maybe you can convince the right wing nut job folks to all vote with you and secure a liberal majority, that would be great!

What I was outlining in my first post on this. That much of rest of Canada thinks Quebec has more leverage than they should, and from the outside looking in Quebec seems to want many things both ways. See my first post on this.

If you feel some of the perceptions are unwarranted I respect that.

I am an Albertan and understand that many other provinces think that we are too demanding. That we should always want what is only good for us because we have lots of oil and natural gas and that Liberals have screwed Alberta over. And, perhaps that we are too right wing.

Montealcorp, keep in mind that I am talking about perceptions here. They can be prevalent and still not reflect reality. But often there is a grain of truth to them.

Do you disagree that Quebec is not always seen in a positive light by other provinces??

I wouldn't underestimate the "modern conservative"' ability to never be disappointed with their politicians.

alot of me wants to go left here but I just can't man. Doing the same thing over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity we have just stagnated so hard during this decade. Giving a 4th term to a government that ruled over the worst decade statistically in the last hundred years makes no logical sense. Trump really ****ed us in the end .

It seems a little wrong to me that were going to get an unnatural balance of government here because boomers base their vote on what trump says. I hate trump as much as the next guy but ignoring everything else is unhealthy. there was a reason the liberals were going to lose this election by a landslide. I believe in a natural scale of going left to right right to left to balance the country. It was the rights turn but now that is likely ruined because of "outside interference" Not to say trump planned this he is a moron

I think these kind of posts over-state what exactly the driving issues are. It’s easy to pick a measure that is bad (ignoring those that are good) and say well so-and-so was in power then so it’s “insane” to support them again. But government has less influence over major macroeconomic trends than one would think. Like covid dominates most graphs, for instance. Even setting covid aside, things like the housing crisis are big, multi-factor issues experienced in many first world countries. That isn’t to say government is blameless, it’s to say it’s too simple to argue as you are doing here. Especially when you go over to policy and see a lot of triangulation like other parties pledging small reduction in bottom income tax bracket - those aren’t changes that magically shift the macroeconomic forces leading to charts like this.

an always liberal can't put themselves in the shoes of a swing vote. all we have is recency bias and in this case Canada is dropping vs the rest of the world over this time frame even if its not at an amount to make you bat an eye. but you know me I'm just a pure Canada doomer .

We are clearly going into a phase based off mandate of lower immigration and less environment friendly compaired to the last decade. Would you not want the party that supports those things? Its strange to pick the party that just does it because they have too.

and the less environment friendly part is a must right now even tho that will make you sad. we are in a trade war with a country that does not care about it at all. So we can't be all high and mighty about saving the planet when we have to first save ourselves. pipelines must be built regulations must not increase

Take immigration. Pre-covid this was totally fine and not really politically problematic. Then post-covid there was a massive labour supply crunch. It was everywhere, not enough people for many swaths of the economy and EVERYONE was pleading for more people, including all the conservative premiers to fast tract a bunch of sectors. And the liberals responds to opening the floodgates. However, that almost certainly at this point overcorrected because we ran into housing and healthcare problems with the pace of incoming people. And the liberals turned around completely now predicting net population DECLINE which is kind of amazing.

So here's my point: the liberals really shifted based on shifting underlying macroeconomic trends. I prefer that actually to an ideological take, even if you think they made errors. Ultimately there isn't much current difference between CPC and lib plans on this file and I don't think it really makes much sense to vote based on it.