Climate Change - increasingly horrible disasters loom
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there is so much out there about this - I don't really need to provide a lot of sources - a quick google search will find you thousands of links
of course there are the climate change deniers
and there are those who say what little we can do won't be nearly enough
just one link:
from the article:
"Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. "
couldn't resist one more link - story about Siberia, one of the coldest places on earth where there is human habitation - they now face 100 degree days and multiple wildfires caused by them
https://eos.org/articles/siberian-heat-w....
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It's not political. It's common sense. Where is the proof that by turning cars in the Untied States (and not China, India, Russia or other countries, just here in the United States which includes Canada) into electric only vehicles, that this will "reverse climate change"? .
Please do not include anything from NOAA, NASA, the WEF, UN, WHO or any other already proven to be corrupt organizations.
Our cars are already climate change ready we have strict emissions laws. Didn't your car come with a c
You're making a spurious argument against no one.
No one recently on this thread is arguing that EV's will reverse climate change.
Catalytic converters actually create more planet warming CO2 than vehicles without them. They do that by facilitating chemical reactions which convert gases which create pulmonary problems like carbon monoxide into CO2.
Getting rid of cows WOULD actually make a huge difference in the fight against global warming.
Al Gore never claimed that the Earth would burn everyone up within 20 years.
You are a liar. , an ignorant SOB and a menace to humanity.
Getting rid of cows WOULD actually make a huge difference in the fight against global warming.
Lol I see they've got your just where they want you.
Can you provide any scientific data to support this? And why only cows? What about horses, deer, rabbits, pigs and humans, don't we also burp and pass gas?
Climate change is not "common sense". Common sense orbits around what the typical person can see for themselves.
A CO2 or CH4 molecule is invisible. Infrared radiation (heat) is something you feel but don't see.
Energy (radiation) comes in wavelengths and frequencies which are invisible. There is nothing common sense about the fact that the bonds which holds those greenhouse gas molecules together absorb and redirect infrared radiation and keep it in Earth's atmosphere. Indeed, those greenhouse gases are the only thing that keep heat in the atmosphere and make life on Earth possible.
It is not common sense to know that a British scientist named John Tyndall proved the greenhouse effect in a lab setting 165 years ago and with trillions of dollars in revenue to disprove it, no fossil fuel company has been able to disprove Tyndall's.
The ability to understand things which we can't see is absolutely not common.
What is common is bitter people like yourself who feel inadequate as a result of their inability to grasp the invisible world and want to destroy the world as a result of their inadequacy.
Cows emit about 120 million metric tons of methane per year and people about half a million metric tons.
Can you provide any scientific data to support this? And why only cows? What about horses, deer, rabbits, pigs and humans, don't we also burp and pass gas?
You asked for it. Will you read it and learn ?
Cows produce methane but the question is where's the proof that if we get rid of all cows (in one country of the world) it will stop global warming?
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You asked for it. Will you read it and learn ?
I was asking more specifically if there's any evidence to show once we get rid of all the cows in the U.S., it will stop global warming.
You asked for it. Did you miss this line in the quoted article?
the impact on methane emissions in production settings is presently unknown.
Translation:
no one knows if eliminating cows in one country of the world will stop global warming, it's just a theory.
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Cows produce methane but the question is where's the proof that if we get rid of all cows (in one country of the world) it will stop global warming?
Once again, you make an argument against something no one else is arguing.
No one is saying that getting rid of cows alone will stop global warming, just as converting to EV's alone will not stop global warming.
Greenhouse gases come from a variety of sources and despite the fact cows emit a lot of planet warming methane, the most significant greenhouse gas is still carbon dioxide. (Methane is more powerful on a per molecule basis than CO2, but CO2 is much more abundant).
Cows also don't only cause global warming through their methane emissions. Cows need grazing land and people cut down trees to make room for them. Some of those trees are in former rainforests like the Amazon which have historically been carbon sinks. The Amazon is en route to becoming a savannah and a carbon source.
Stopping global warming to the extent that it will destroy human civilization may no longer be possible. We may have passed invisible tipping points of no return.
Greenhouse gas levels are the equivalent of the temperature setting on your kitchen stove. Except the setting is broken and can't be turned down and the pot of water we are heating (the Earth's oceans) is glued to the stove. The water doesn't come to a boil immediately. It takes time for the kinetic energy to be transferred from the range into the volume of water. The greater the amount of water, the longer it takes to reach equilibrium.
The global warming we experience in the atmosphere today does not reflect an equilibrium to today's GHG levels. Scientists estimate that it takes about 50 years for 70% of the equilibrium to be reached. So what we experience today is roughly equal to an equilibrium to CO2 levels back in the 90's when Bill Clinton was president. The fires in LA. The flooding in Western North Carolina from Helene? These are nothing compared to AMOC collapse and the extreme weather of the future which prohibits growing enough food for everyone. We're talking massive starvation on a global scale.
What we have left for the future is a ticking time bomb and we currently have no mechanism to defuse it.
The question is why would we change our lives, stop eating meat, get rid of gas cars and stoves and live like slaves in "15 minute cities" if all these things are just hypothesis and theories (which they are)?
This all sounded good in 1996 when Al Gore started talking about it but they've already been debunked. There's no proof it will stop global warming or global cooling.
It's not political. It's common sense. Where is the proof that by turning cars in the Untied States (and not China, India, Russia or other countries, just here in the United States which includes Canada) into electric only vehicles, that this will "reverse climate change"? .
Please do not include anything from NOAA, NASA, the WEF, UN, WHO or any other already proven to be corrupt organizations.
Our cars are already climate change ready we have strict emissions laws. Didn't your car come with a c
Whell your line of thinking is totally erroneous and no one serious ever put forward that 1 or 2 country by themselves could reverse climate changes shrug .
But we are in a different discussion anyway .
Are you admitting climate been been done by human or not ?
since now you are taking about human actions to reverse climate changes ?
If u agree at first we human , actually had a big deal to do with climate changes of today, it’s a really good start from you in admitting data are true …m
Then we can go forward with politics and actions for solutions u can participate in .
These clowns will say Agenda 2030 is a conspiracy theory.
Sooooo climate alarmists, if we do nothing and drill baby drill what impending doom awaits us in 20 years? I'll bite...
I'd love the reading material on NOAA being corrupt, Playbig.
I think electric cars, other than BYD because I have invested in them, are ****. The current iterations are ****. But, I also believe in climate change, or "global warming", or whatever Al Gore cried about in the aughts. Is that too idiosyncratic for you?
I'd love the reading material on NOAA being corrupt, Playbig.
I think electric cars, other than BYD because I have invested in them, are ****. The current iterations are ****. But, I also believe in climate change, or "global warming", or whatever Al Gore cried about in the aughts. Is that too idiosyncratic for you?
EV aren't ****, they are just too expensive and they depreciate too fast.
it's that we refined ICE vehicles so well it's hard to compete with them.
but entry level models in India and China look promising
Whell your line of thinking is totally erroneous and no one serious ever put forward that 1 or 2 country by themselves could reverse climate changes shrug .
But we are in a different discussion anyway .
Are you admitting climate been been done by human or not ?
since now you are taking about human actions to reverse climate changes ?
If u agree at first we human , actually had a big deal to do with climate changes of today, it’s a really good start from you in admitting data are true …m
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I never doubted the data, you're always confusing easy things.
I agree the data is changing, but I don't think we have as much to do with it (and need to make drastic changes to our lives) as people are leading you to believe.
"Climate change" movement is a fake hoax but it doesn't mean I don't agree the climate is changing.
All electric cars won't work. You should be smart enough to realize this (especially all electric trucks). It's not the answer to something that's only a theory (like evolution is just a theory, these are some of the reasons why Trump just dismantled the department of education, you've been fed lies your whole life), but you're accepting it like a fact. Getting rid of cows off the planet to fight global warming ? No one has or could prove that by us taking these drastic measures it will be noticeable enough in the data to make all the horrific changes worth it.
Yep, just like evolution is just a theory.
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"Climate change" movement is a fake hoax but it doesn't mean I don't agree the climate is changing.
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What credentials provide the foundation for such a childish and erroneous conclusion ?
I'm not necessarily talking institutional credentials. I'm curious about your investigative process. Explain your journey to that conclusion.
I'm fascinated to illuminate how ideas become planted in the mind. Generally it's tribal affiliation. In order to survive, we choose membership in some community and adopt all of the community beliefs without question. Learning about ideas which are outside the communal norm is against our survival instinct .... so we just conform.
You never share a shred of math or science or any logical support for your posts. You just come across like a zombie parrot. "Climate change is a hoax ..... brakkk" !!
In poker this is a "tell". It says that you don't have any logical foundation. Just a zombie wired to survive and whatever koolaid is necessary to swallow .... you're a loyal subject.
I never doubted the data, you're always confusing easy things.
I agree the data is changing, but I don't think we have as much to do with it (and need to make drastic changes to our lives) as people are leading you to believe.
"Climate change" movement is a fake hoax but it doesn't mean I don't agree the climate is changing.
All electric cars won't work. You should be smart enough to realize this (especially all electric trucks). It's not the answer to something that's only a theory (like evolut
U trust the data
U trust the data that scientist took
U trust how statistically it’s confirming it
You don’t trust the conclusion of scientist about it for why exactly ?
Just because u don’t like it ?
Why would the scientific method be so effective in everything else but not on this specific climate cases ?
Ps: do you realize how much money, if it wasn’t true , people or organizations would make from it by confirming your theory that it’s a hoax ?
Why would they prevent themselves to make money ?
Why all those corporations that loses so much money due to higher cost , to deal with climate changes, don’t come forward with the « real truth » then , banning all the over cost and regulations that prevent them to make tens of billions dollar around the world ?
Just to help a very small part of a scientific community ?
Maybe just maybe the reason it’s that it’s true ….
Occam's razor
But why throughout history , climate changes was always changing at a certain natural rates for millions of years but the last 200 years for the first time it decides to go against natural tendencies up to 10X faster and the carbon dioxide is increase by 250 X ?
What factors in your opinions would be the cause of this ?
The first time in history btw ….
Again statistically u are arguing against around. odds of 1 to 3millions….
The only thing is humans existence with exponentially higher consumption of fossil energy the last 200 years .
Ps: do you realize how much money, if it wasn’t true , people or organizations would make from it by confirming your theory that it’s a hoax ?
Why would they prevent themselves to make money ?
This is a very elegant way of framing the argument. Thank you.
The fossil fuel interests have many trillions of dollars in revenue and assets. Unlimited funds to support the research necessary to prove a hoax if it were true. There is absolutely no cogent explanation for the CEO's of fossil fuel companies to acknowledge that climate change is not a hoax. But they do acknowledge it's real and your question reveals the farce of the denier logic.
They can't answer your question. It reveals their cognitive dissonance and results in a strange survival conflict. They belong to communities which embrace this bs dogma and they don't have the fortitude to disagree with their peers and risk losing their affection. You're engaging with a zombie.
These clowns will say Agenda 2030 is a conspiracy theory.
Sooooo climate alarmists, if we do nothing and drill baby drill what impending doom awaits us in 20 years? I'll bite...
The dominoes are already in motion.
Let's look at a place like Florida as a proverbial canary in the coal mine.
Sea level has risen an average of 6" in the last 15 years on the Florida. Hurricane damage is obviously on the upswing. We've had at least one Atlantic storm with sustained winds of 150 MPH+ for 10 consecutive years (roughly 25 in total), a dramatic change from recent years.
Florida coastal real estate is in transition from perpetuity (forever asset) to annuity (limited term asset) as it is destined to be consumed by the ocean.
The private insurance market which backstops the mortgage market is disintegrating. Adding the cost of repairing damage to the baseline cost of home ownership is causing real estate to begin to collapse. Municipalities are dependent upon property tax revenue and unlike the Feds, state government can't print money.
The collapse in real estate values and the insurance and mortgage market is going to threaten municipal finances and the ability to raise money for capital projects in the long-term bond market. Ratings on long term bonds will decline and drive up the cost of borrowing in a vicious spiral. Capital doesn't seek out places to shrink ... it will flee.
Municipal finance integrity will collapse and the current model will result in municipal bankruptcy. The state itself will go bankrupt and go into federal receivership or the US government may simply re-draw the border and reclassify the territory south of Palm Beach to be on a par with Puerto Rico. A US controlled entity which is no longer entitled to representation in Congress.
There will be a migration which is like the game of musical chairs we played as children. Evacuation of more vulnerable areas to those perceived to be more resilient. It will be just like the Dust Bowl evacuation of Oklahoma in the 30's. Just with a mobile migrant population which is far bigger than we have historical precedent with.
Someone's balance sheets are going to get whacked. Capital ratios at financial institutions are not going to be able to meet the statutory limits in place today. We may try to print (money) our way out of the crisis .... but let's understand that are current money printing operation is dependent upon foreign money such as that emanating from Japan and China to purchase US govt bonds.
At some point, they'll walk away from us. We'll have ruined our credibility in the world as anything more than a selfish and greedy people who don't give a damn about the fates of people in other countries. Those people are not going to continue to support the export of resources to the US when they are in a crunch for their survival. China will probably emerge as the successor superpower. A country that will have made the adaptation to its electrical grid to no longer be dependent upon the fossil fuel menace that will be plaguing the world.
This is the decline of an unsustainable way of life. In the end, everything dies.
EV aren't ****, they are just too expensive and they depreciate too fast.
it's that we refined ICE vehicles so well it's hard to compete with them.
but entry level models in India and China look promising
No it’s not only that. Profit margins on new car sales are ridiculously thin with some being sold at a loss because most profit comes from after sales.
With an EV there are far fewer moving parts that need maintenance.
You don’t trust the conclusion of scientist about it for why exactly ?
Just because u don’t like it ?
Where's the conclusion that shows by eliminating cars and cows it will stop "climate change"? There is none, it's just a hypotheses and theory, just like oil comes from dead dinosaurs.
But why throughout history , climate changes was always changing at a certain natural rates for millions of years but the last 200 years for the first time it decides to go against natural tendencies up to 10X faster and the carbon dioxide is increase by 250 X ?
What factors in your opinions would be the cause of this ?
The first time in history btw ….
Again statistically u are arguing against around. odds of 1 to 3millions….
The only thing is humans existence with exponentially high
Where exactly did the data come from? It was warmer in the 90's, that's why they had to change it from "global warming" to "climate change" (they probably had a meeting and as a safeguard they figured no one would dispute that bc the climates always changing anyway).
We've only been tracking weather and temperature over the past 150 years, and you really should wait until the DOGEcoin team finishes their investigations of NOAA, NASA, and other agencies where all the "data" comes from to see how it was manipulated to look more dangerous just to scare you into their agenda2030/green new deal scams. These are more about control than the climate.
