US Immigration Crisis

Lol. For one, lots of countries don't have that. For two, lol at the idea that this group of people is a net cost. Man the anti-immigration people are going to find out how much you lose when you deport people if they manage to get what they want.

And no, I'm not saying anyone owes the Trumpy mofos anything. It's just poetic justice when they screw themselves over.

If they're US citizens then obviously they should have a roof over their heads and food. wtf?

And if they aren't then they should be given citizenship.

People who need help can be helped, but by and large we're talking about a young, hard working, productive population and if only allowed to live and work freely, they would feed and house themselves and others. Hell, that's what they already do with so many restrictions.

But is true ?
Look at Florida ?

In Canada, with 3% population growth for a few years, rental prices skyrocketed and supply did not keep up with the demand.

Now the government is trying to reverse course to curb down immigration.

If immigrants are driving up prices in Canada, it's rich people from China (mostly). Guatemalans working in meat packing plants or..... Building houses!... Aren't driving up housing costs in the USA.

Now tien is right .
We have massive increase in property prices , rent etc .
Missing lot of school, hospital , workers in those department and many others because the demand is too high .

Immigration is like everything else’s , too much of it in a too short period of times isn’t good either .

And now the economy is tanking , putting even more pressure on an already overload social net .

I didn't say anything that contradicted what Tein said, so what does it mean when you say "Now [I assume this was supposed to be 'no'], Tein is right"?

Here's something about demand in economics... It's about how much people will pay for something, which isn't always the same thing as how badly they want or need it. What I am talking about is how the demand caused by a rich immigrant is not the same as the demand caused by a poor immigrant.

#1 and #3 countries of origin into Canada are China and India and most coming are wealthy and/or professionals. Are they driving up real estate prices in Canada... Mostly the West Coast? Sure.

Most of the people being talked about in this thread are largely undocumented immigrants from Mexico and Central America. They are probably lowering housing prices, both because they are a large percentage of the people actually building homes, and because poor people moving into neighborhoods doesn't raise property values.

Right, you could argue that immigrants from Guatemala would lower real estate costs because the #1 way to lower those costs in more construction to lower the demand and increase the supply - and #2 lower the costs at whcih that construction could be done - and guess who can do the work the cheapest? But you could also argue that the #1 way to increase the cost of real estate is to increase population levels and fuel demand and cause a shortage of supply - which could also be a problem - in short, there's other factors involved obv.

But there isn't any singular reaction in a vacuum to how immigrants would affect prices, or the economy, or homelessness, or quality of life, or access to govt protections.

There is obviously a sweet spot or an equilibrium here and you really don't even have to peg it too accurately, you just have to manage to not completely **** it up. Montreal mentioned an important point that I eluded to on up. It is VERY important that the govt right now is able to sustain the costs it needs for healthcare, fire, education, police and so forth and that revenue that we get from income and corp taxes needs to outpace the amount we need to use for those services, or else we will begin to have some serious issues. Of course immigrants work their ass off but it isn't an immigration issue per se, its a jobs availability issue.

Even though China is only at like 1% of land owned, could probably acknowledge that you wouldn't be best from an economical standpoint, or even a moral standpoint to allow them snatch up a meanifull amount of land driving up prices and people out? We were obv talking about Open Boarders v Non open boarders so this probably doesnt apply to this convo but the point I wanted to state is that conditions matter, and those conditions dictate the success or failure of immigration as a whole.

F72,

Man, I feel like writing a full response to that is so likely to be a waste, but I'll try anyway.

"#1 way to lower those costs in more construction to lower the demand and increase the supply "

This is a tautology if you understand that demand means how much people are willing to pay for a property and not how badly people want to live somewhere. A million homeless and penniless people surrounding your neighborhood, yearning to live there with all their hearts does nothing to raise property values, and obviously it would lower them a lot. By the same token, if 4 Central American families pool their resources to rent a house on your fancy block and they all have beater cars and are too busy mowing your lawn and painting your house to keep their house up, they lower property values on your street, not raise them.

"Even though China is only at like 1% of land owned, could probably acknowledge that you wouldn't be best from an economical standpoint, or even a moral standpoint to allow them snatch up a meanifull amount of land driving up prices and people out?"

So, as someone who loves freedom rather than privilidge, I would embrace things that could be -EV for me personally or for people born in the same country. Forget that for a second though and assume I'm a xenophobic racist and an American's wealth and status is more important to me than a Chinese person's. There are many effects of richer people moving into an area. Yes, they cause housing prices to go up. They do this by giving their money to people who were there before in exchange for their houses. They continue to spend their money in the community. When Americans and Europeans move to Central America or Southeast Asia, they seem to have no problem understanding how them bringing money to these places creates jobs and wealth for local people. So, what I'm saying in the case of rich Chinese buying up condos in Vancouver BC is that it's complicated.

What's not complicated is Mexicans and Central Americans coming to the United States. They are not raising property prices. And

" Of course immigrants work their ass off but it isn't an immigration issue per se, its a jobs availability issue."

did you see what started out this series of posts? For every 100 jobs in Nebraska there are only 39 workers. Agriculture is starving for workers. Construction is hungry for it too and with 10k homes burned down in California it's going to get hungrier. The people the Trump idiots want to deport are not causing housing problems or job problems. They are not criminals any more than native born Americans. The idiot racist xenophobic Trumpers are cutting their noses off to spite their faces.

Of course they hate freedom. Almost everyone seems to hate freedom. But beyond that, they're not even good at self-interest. These idiots are just mad about "press 2 for Spanish" and they think that someone got away with something. Yeah, they are mad that the people who walked 2000 miles to work in a meat packing plant got away with something.

F72,

"even a moral standpoint"

From a moral standpoint, property is theft and land has no legitimate owner. At the most, no one should ever be allowed to monopolize more than something like their fair share.

Unless government spends money to accomodate them .
Higher demands do not decreased prices .

Taking care of poor people cost money .
If the cost exceed the revenue from immigrants (and their families) , that doesn’t lower prices .
Which is what we live here .
National gdp goes up but gdp per capita goes down because there was so much immigration .

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/36-2...

Gdp per capita going down doesn't mean that you are made less rich. People from Guatemala moving to Canada probably lowers the average height as well.

"Higher demands do not decreased prices ."

You can say this all you want but it's only *always* true if you understand demand as how much people will pay for something, not how many people want something.

try reading the post i was responding to chief and try again

this feels like bad logic. when a poor immigrant comes over they get a well paying job relative to where they came from and pay rent and still take up a space.. This raises demand. This raises housing prices .

Housing prices do not go up only from people buying them. When people realize they can charge more rent based on high demand. the price of the house goes up. It does not matter if they can afford a house or not they still increase demand.

Also seen in Canada an influx of low wage workers does not increase the house construction market at all. Its a lack of specialized workers and mostly just zoning laws that are the problem

Not if they snuck in illegally.

Trump is the first President to be doing something about the mess at the border. it's already having a massive effect. It's pretty simple, if you are here illegally you should be deported. The end of birthright citizenship is also fantastic.

The problem with your thinking is that it's not a logic puzzle. You've taken something that's generally true, a rule of thumb, and you're treating like a fundamental law of physics. You are suggesting that it's absolutely impossible for anyone under any circumstances to ever move into anywhere at all and cause property values to go down. It's not like dropping a ball off of the leaning tower of Pisa. It's more of a starting point in trying to analyze a complex situation that is not a reflection of laws of physics, but of human sentiments.

Oh noes, increasing demand for goods and services; that sounds just terrible for the economy.

we need to look at Germany and whats going on. Between the Christmas market massacre and yesterdays stabbing https://apnews.com/article/germany-stabb... I hope people are waking up

Germany is trying to ban the AFD (conservative party) from even having a chance to run in elections. The great replacement is real

I thought we replaced you guys in WWII.

Fair enough, apologies for the misunderstanding.