Israel/Palestine thread

aside from the fact that some of those are centuries-old buildings with incalculable moral and economic value, letting them spray painting without repercussions leads to worse violence.

In fact they didn't limit themselves to spray, the made it unsafe to walk around which is indeed one of the worst possible things you can do with communal, public property.

You have to be willing to use a lot of violence so you don't need to use it: if they credibly know police will shoot to kill if they spray, you don't spray and nobody gets hurt.

0 tolerance not only works, is the only way to have safe public areas.

Well if spray painting an old building makes you upset, hopefully you can understand why dropping JDAMS on thousands of buildings with incalculable moral and economic value makes me upset.

speaking of old buildings...

What is your point? There is lots of archeological history of previous civilizations before Muslims conquered and colonized this part of the world, which actually happened fairly recently in the grand scheme of things.

Israel destroyed the Church Dun. but I guess so long as its not a synagogue, then its fine. whats the word for that double standard?

It is a ruin that was recently rebuilt (finished in 2022). And it can be rebuilt again as soon as Hamas gives back the hostages, Gaza is demilitarized, and the international community can safely come back in and rebuild.

Hamas has offered the hostages back from day 1 and agreed to numerous cease fire terms. Israel would prefer to exterminate them and steal their land.

You are mostly on an island of 1 that believes this.

well, me and all of Israeli media...

For how closely you've followed this topic for over a year and all of your posting on it, if this is how you understand the situation that's a pretty epic fail.

should probably call up Times of Israel and tell them they got it all wrong

Not to unconditionally support Sach's pro Russia and China propagandism; there is some political expediency to blaming everything wrong in the world on Netanyahu. As Israel is a democracy and Netanyahu is old on top of this, I can see the logic of blaming everything on him and then "turning the page and starting out fresh" when he is gone.

Pretty much everyone Western Civlization is fighting are authoritarian dictatorships that have no hope for any type of reform or growth or turning the page. That being said, because these groups are the main problem and wont grow or reform or ideally go away entirely; there is little hope for things actually getting better.

The Sach's of the world can blame everything on Netanyahu as much as they please. But because this isn't actually the case, so when he is gone all the underlying problems will remain.

Does it make you upset that it is Hamas who has put those buildings at risk?

Hamas kills 1200 people and takes a couple hundred hostages and then say's "sorry! sorry! sorry!" when they realize what's coming and that's the team you are supporting?

youre changing the topic. I am just disputing that any of this would have been avoided by giving back the "hostages". Israel was going to do genocide regardless bc that is what happens when a population is taught to hate.

Maybe not directly related but interesting to note that the Jews are now being blamed for the impending TikTok ban in the US.

A desire to suppress on the ground videos from Gaza is being cited as the reason the US government is going after TikTok.

Lmao Victor still going on about his hostage theory that no one with a working brain will touch.

Only on terms that Israel could not accept in the circumstances, the circumstances being that Hamas had just committed a major and frankly disgusting act of war against Israel. If the Hamas leadership were stupid enough to think that Israel would do the usual 100-plus-for-1 release of prisoners, they were very stupid indeed.

it was literally reported in all of Israeli media, including far right media. the lead hostage liaison literally said it after he resigned.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/no-doubt-n...

see above, they were going to give up the actual civilian hostages without any return swap.

and yes, I agree that Israel could not accept the terms bc Israel's goal is to exterminate the Palestinians.

So Hamas wasn’t offering to release the hostages as part of any sort of good faith offer. Glad were on the same page.

I’ll read the article later, am I going to find any important tidbits you left out?

i think the most likely explanation is that sinwar and friends calculated that sending a few thousand hamas kids to their death in exchange for a few dead israeli civilians and a hostage or two would improve their position, and they had no idea that their rape and murder party could be so 'successful'

now they are all dead oops

not sure how that isnt good faith. seems as straightforward as possible.

remember how this discussion started: multiple people said that if Hamas would just #giveUpTheHostages that Israel would stop doing mass murder. I posit that their assertion makes no sense considering Hamas did in fact over to #giveUpTheHostages on like day 3.

speaking of rape...even the Israeli prosecutor who wants to murder anyone who ate a single avocado on Oct 7th admitted there was no rape. so I guess you can drop that one from your atrocity propaganda. and yes, I am indeed the type to say "I told you so".

sounds like you might have some sort of mental block over the confirmed rapes which hamas committed on oct 7, along with the murders and kidnappings and all the rest of it

Obviously Israel would need assurance that after the hostages were returned and they pull out of Gaza, Hamas wouldn’t just reattempt Al Asqa. And we all know Hamas is not willing or capable of making these assurances.

You’re not stupid, so you already knew that this was the important piece of information that you’re intentionally leaving out or ignoring.

There’s a reason you’re the only person clinging to this. It’s illogical but you’re too far down to admit it at this point.

So when people say "just give back the hostages", you agree that it's bullshit. Glad we agree.