Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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The Iraq war casus belli was manufactured but it was a concerted effort that included british secret services, italian secret services, a lot of american fake intelligence and so on, and Israel wasn't really relevant to that.This is the typical antisemitic trope analogous to when "big banks" do something bad, people see some jews have some important positions in those banks, an
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVPauUOV...
you were saying? tossing that antisemitic accusations baselessly again
There's no evidence Trump reposted that. Even in this guy's comments people commented immediately they don't see that Trump posted that and not one person can confirm it
hmmph...
lmao at posting a youtube from 'the real news network' with a bunch of antisemites in the comments section
lmao at posting a youtube from 'the real news network' with a bunch of antisemites in the comments section
how about you ignore that and watch what he actually said.. its not ai or fake news i assure you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVPauUOV...
you were saying? tossing that antisemitic accusations baselessly again
I am saying nethanyau didn't matter there and the war would have happened anyway because the lies about WMD were developed in concert (under American supervision) by many other allies as well.
so yes focusing on bibi and not say Blair (who was far more relevant to help create the justification for the Iraq war) is blatant antisemitism
want another example? it's like someone from the right always and only criticizing Soros when he wants to make a point of evil billionaires who donate to the democratic party to support policies that go against Americans (or Europeans), and never mention all the non Jews ones that do the same and hate us the same.
So if Trump did re-tweet it why are all you haters celebrating?
Does it prove Trump is antisemitic?
Are you saying anything Trump re-tweets makes it true, or only if it relates to Bibi?
So if Trump did re-tweet it why are all you haters celebrating?
Does it prove Trump is antisemitic?
Are you saying anything Trump re-tweets makes it true, or only if it relates to Bibi?
no I was just pointing out the blatant misinformation that you posted.
lmao at posting a youtube from 'the real news network' with a bunch of antisemites in the comments section
The Real News Network (TRNN) makes media connecting you to the movements, people, and perspectives that are advancing the cause of a more just, equal, and livable planet.
Doesn't sound very racist. Maybe you should do more than read stupid comments?
People would have been banned if that was true.
Posting tip: whenever you find yourself in agreement with a fascist, reconsider.
many would consider equality to be antisemitic
False
Many would consider constantly condemning Jewish leaders and praising atrocities of non Jewish leaders antisemitic
People would have been banned if that was true.
Posting tip: whenever you find yourself in agreement with a fascist, reconsider.
Fascists are antisemites, anyone who is pro jews definitionally can't be a fascist (or a nazist), like literally impossible.
Being pro jews, especially pro Israel, is being anti-fa, definitionally.
Fascists are antisemites, anyone who is pro jews definitionally can't be a fascist (or a nazist), like literally impossible.
Being pro jews, especially pro Israel, is being anti-fa, definitionally.
More nonsense.
There's nothing in the definition of fascism that specifies antisemitism.
fascism passed the racial laws that defined the dictatorship
The first and most important of the Racial Laws (Leggi Razziali) was the Regio Decreto 17 Novembre 1938, Nr. 1728. It restricted the civil rights of Italian Jews, banned books written by Jewish authors, and excluded Jews from public offices and higher education.[1] Additional laws stripped Jews of their assets, restricted travel, and finally, provided for their confinement in internal exile, as was done for political prisoners.[1] In recognition of both their past and future contributions and for their service as subjects of the Italian Empire, Rome passed a decree in 1937 distinguishing the Eritreans and Ethiopians from other subjects of the newly-founded colonial empire.[1][3] In the Kingdom of Italy, Eritreans and Ethiopians were to be addressed as "Africans" and not as natives, as was the case with the other African peoples subjected to the colonial rule of the Italian Empire.[3]
not surprised you don't have even a vague clue about what fascism actually was about
That's the core policy of fascism that differentiated it from the extremely common "simple" dictatorship model which has been a normal structure of government for most of human history (including monarchies and the like in it which aren't different).
Fascism isn't defined as just "not being democratic", as that includes the... totality of non-democratic regimes.
There is a reason why we in west, even in countries that didn't experience dictatorships in the last centuries, use Mussolini model and not Franco or Salazar (which were contemporaries) as a synonim for evil, and the reason was the horrifying antisemitism in addition to the unfortunately fairly common lack of democratic liberties and very powerful state abusing generic individual freedoms.
Being pro jews (and especially pro Israel, the only jewish-majority country in the world) is the most antifascist thing a person can do other than being against the state being powerful in general (which is a necessary element for fascism to exist, without which fascism is literally impossible).
AntiIsrael leftism coupled with a love for a powerful state is fascist-adjacent. Rightwing libertarianism adamantly pro jews/Israel (say, Milei today is the best example) is the most antifascist position possible in the universe of ideologies.
Fascists are antisemites, anyone who is pro jews definitionally can't be a fascist (or a nazist), like literally impossible.
Being pro jews, especially pro Israel, is being anti-fa, definitionally.
lol
I believe the saying goes, “Every accusation is a confession.”
It’s obviously absurd to call others fascist while you simp for Iran and it’s proxies.
I am saying nethanyau didn't matter there and the war would have happened anyway because the lies about WMD were developed in concert (under American supervision) by many other allies as well.so yes focusing on bibi and not say Blair (who was far more relevant to help create the justification for the Iraq war) is blatant antisemitism want another example? it's like someone from
For context for those not aware, Jeffrey Sachs is an American economist who is doing the rounds in right wing alternative media, most notable Tucker.
He did a long podcast with Tucker a few weeks ago talking about Russia/Ukraine and the ME mainly. I am not sure if that clip is from the Tucker interview, or a different one; but it is the same content.
He has this all-encompassing theory that Netanyahu has basically masterminded EVERYTHING that has happened in the ME the last 30 years. So basically Netanyahu is Sun Tzu, and everyone else (ME, European and American leaders) are just puppets being pulled on strings by him. No one else has any agency at all. Nations like UAE and Qatar, which spend exponentially more money than Israel buying influence with Western govts and institutions never come up at all in Sachs interviews.
FWIW, there are a lot of accusations that he is being paid by nations such as Russia, China and UAE to push propaganda for them. Coincidence or not, he is never critical of the nations he is being charged with being a paid propagandist for. He doesn't really ascribe them any agency at all. Nations like Iran, Russia and China are just the victims of US/Israeli aggression in his current worldview.
If the X algorithm thinks you are into that sort of thing, curated portions of various Sach's interviews are all over the place. I have no clue whether Trump intentionally or unintentionally shared one of these clips.
Good for them.
I'm shocked more European countries aren't more supportive of Bibi given the disaster their countries have fallen into.
Bibi is a hero. He is transforming the entire Middle East. Hamas, Iran, Hezbollah etc are no longer a major threat. When the Houthis are your biggest problem you have done well.
Meh. Netanyahu stated he wasn't going before that was announced. Poland officials could have made this statement a year ago if they were really making a stand. They were definitely waiting and hoping he would agree to not go before they sent out this release. Better behavior than nations like Ireland, but you shouldn't be given them too much credit for how this was handled.
For context for those not aware, Jeffrey Sachs is an American economist who is doing the rounds in right wing alternative media, most notable Tucker.He did a long podcast with Tucker a few weeks ago talking about Russia/Ukraine and the ME mainly. I am not sure if that clip is from the Tucker interview, or a different one; but it is the same content.He has this all-encompassing
I get some exposure to Sachs on X even if i vehemently oppose his takes, i guess that's because a lot of the people i follow discuss him (many against him, some in favor, because i follow people i mostly disagree with as well, as you have to keep enemies close).
Afaik he previously was a very important "neocon" economist, so with fairly agreeable ideas, but when neocon (which we could define as technocratic center-right) ideas went out of fashion he slowly pivoted toward "pro-anti-west sentiment" , most plausibly because there was a lot of money to make given his previous clout and reputation
North africa immigrants today attacked the synagogue in my city last night (i just learnt about it). We have a ultra tiny jewish community (i don't think it makes it to 500?).
These were people protesting against an event in Milan (a northern african died when pursued by police because he fell from his motorbike).
There are no prominent jews in the italian government, almost no jews in general in Italy, the only relevant jew in italian politics currently is the leader of the opposition party.
There is absolutely no way to link jews in italy to police actions.
This is pure, unadulterated, antisemitism, this is the kind of action the propal crowd (90% leftist 10% ultraright, anti government) in Italy is fomenting
Italian news agency source in english
Long video on the terrorist guerrilla events that happened last time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAitJUTM...
And ofc jalfrezi would call anyone who wants lethal force used against these monsters a "fascist", while for me it's not using as much legal force against them as needed to guarantee they never do it again, is what brings about fascism.
Because if the ordinary liberal democratic order cannot guarantee these actions don't happen (and it could: it is just about being willing to use the tools that can exist even within a liberal democracy), then people will choose fascism if that's the only way to get law and order.
EDIT: additional sources clarify that it was some northern african immigrants but mostly italian radical leftists doing the above
And ofc jalfrezi would call anyone who wants lethal force used against these monsters a "fascist", while for me it's not using as much legal force against them as needed to guarantee they never do it again, is what brings about fascism.
Yeah, I would say anyone who wants to murder someone for spay painting "free Gaza" on the side of a building, is a fascist.
