Israel/Palestine thread
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The idea that you don't believe that is kind of wild actually. Of course he wants peace. Ask him how many of his have been killed, wounded, or captured.
All he wants is peace. You don't go back in as a reservist because you want war. You'd be a full time soldier if you had even the smallest inclination to always be in the fight. You take another tour so that future Israelis never have to.
This is why I don't take either him or vic seriously and one of the many reasons I have jal on ig. They demonise Israel and seem to think it's a caricature moustache stroking cartoon villain. Therefore Blu- who as you said has lost people he knew and cared about, lived through October 07 and previous intifadas, and who has brought Palestinians to hospital- doesn't want peace as he's IDF , ergo a murderous bloodthirsty imperialist who wants genocide, because Israel Bad.
We've seen the denial of Oct 07 rapes and other atrocities, red triangles as avatars, Nazi comparisons, gleeful accusations of apartheid, genocide, "hasbara" and every other word in the bad faith debating 101 manual from them and their ilk, so that should tell you all you need to know. They seem absolutely incapable of having an honest discussion, with context and nuance. Hamas have shown time and time again that they're outright evil who revel in murdering as many Jews as they can and then proudly brag about it.
Israel is absolutely fallible and can be subjected to valid critique. But to try and make out they're actually worse than Hamas is so far fringe nuts it's downright dystopian.
So you will never get an honest good faith discussion from these types.
Hamas have shown time and time again that they're outright evil who revel in murdering as many Jews as they can and then proudly brag about it.
lol bro tell me more about bad faith. this is straight delusional.
They profess the destruction of an entire nation in their charter, committed the Oct 07 mass murder and then paraded victims in pick up trucks, posing with them. They also tortured and executed a Hamas commander because he was gay. They're straight up evil and only fringe cranks or Hamas members would profess otherwise.
This is why I don't take either him or vic seriously and one of the many reasons I have jal on ig. .
You keep reminding everyone you have me on ignore, but so that they can see what a hypocrite you are it's obvious you wouldn't have supported the UK government carrying out collective punishment of Irish people for the atrocities committed by the IRA in the 1970s and 80s, but you do support this in Gaza.
The actual reason you have me on ignore is that I posted this before and you've been unable to address this dilemma honestly. You are a coward and a hypocrite.
They profess the destruction of an entire nation in their charter
so what? the West destroys countries all the time. you think the victims of oppression cant agitate to remove their oppressors?
committed the Oct 07 mass murder and then paraded victims in pick up trucks, posing with them.
armed resistiance is legal and morally justified
They also tortured and executed a Hamas commander because he was gay.
this is extremely gullible
People who oppose "unskilled" immigration should have to do all the work at every restaurant, work in the fields in every farm, work in the slaughterhouses and factories, and do all the construction.
I agree with this. You can bring in unskilled labor or basically blow up the economy.
There are other variations of this problem related to housing. Lots of wealthy areas and resort towns don't want to allow cheaper housing and apartments to be built, because they are worried about their property values going down. But not everyone is going to buy a luxury condo or McMansion; you need people to run the town, work the restaurants and shops, etc. In some of the CO mountain towns this is getting untenable.
I agree with this. You can bring in unskilled labor or basically blow up the economy.
There are other variations of this problem related to housing. Lots of wealthy areas and resort towns don't want to allow cheaper housing and apartments to be built, because they are worried about their property values going down. But not everyone is going to buy a luxury condo or McMansion; you need people to run the town, work the restaurants and shops, etc. In some of the CO mountain towns this is getting un
I don't know, without the immigrants, what excuse will those politicians have on the next blow up? A new common enemy will very likely be necessary, I can see the Greenland, Canada, Mexico and/or Panama thing escalating when (not even if) the economy turns for the worse.
What's gonna happen is Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia will end up running Gaza. Trump knows what he is doing by threatening the US will take over. He knows the Arab countries don't want that and they certainly don't want Israel running it. Trump is playing chicken with these people.
What's gonna happen is Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia will end up running Gaza
with what army?
so what? the West destroys countries all the time. you think the victims of oppression cant agitate to remove their oppressors?
Not interested in your whataboutism re the bad old west, you really are like a broken record at this point.
armed resistiance is legal and morally justified
Nothing to resist they've had Hamas autonomy in Gaza for nearly 20 years now. This is just more of your goodies vs baddies bad faith bullshit
And are you now saying Hamas didn't torture and execute a gay Hamas commander? Yet more denialism just like you denied the rapes and other Oct 7 atrocities . You really do have an amazing lack of self awareness.
Trump is set to sign an executive order sanctioning the International Criminal Court (ICC) later today for targeting the US and allies, such as Israel, the BBC understands.
The order will see both financial and visa related sanctions applied to individuals assisting the ICC with its investigations into US citizens or allies, as well as their families.
The move comes in response to the ICC's decision to issue arrest warrants against both Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and other Israeli and Hamas officials last year.
Senate Democrats last week blocked a bill which sought to sanction the ICC, with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer calling the bill "poorly drafted" and "deeply problematic".
Not interested in your whataboutism re the bad old west, you really are like a broken record at this point.
Nothing to resist they've had Hamas autonomy in Gaza for nearly 20 years now. This is just more of your goodies vs baddies bad faith bullshit
And are you now saying Hamas didn't torture and execute a gay Hamas commander? Yet more denialism just like you denied the rapes and other Oct 7 atrocities . You really do have an amazing lack of self awareness.
these two things
And are you now saying Hamas didn't torture and execute a gay Hamas commander?
They also tortured and executed a Hamas commander because he was gay.
are not the same. Ill even bold the discrepancy.
The military class in Egypt is strongly against taking in Palestinians for pragmatic reasons, as is the general populous for moral ones.
Trump could theoretically cut off aid, but don't forget that this is a new multi-polar world. China has trillions of current account surplus to burn, and given the strategic importance of the Suez, I'm sure they would love to have Egypt in their sphere of influence.
The ones affected by the Famine couldn't as their staple diet was the potato and when they tried to feed themselves they were subjected to transportation to the colonies. Ireland at the time was under British rule. It was a humanitarian crisis and there was a laissez-faire attitude towards it. So what you're saying is incorrect.
Lmao. Imagine the amount of disinformation you have to be ingesting to believe that Israel is the one in the FAFO stage. Mindblowing stuff.
They just want peace
