Israel/Palestine thread

Israel/Palestine thread

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Which is how we know many of them are genocidal maniacs.


I think you are a genocidal maniac


by IMBLUEtheONE k

Now you got me imagining coming for you....

Are you Israeli? Because if so we all know it wouldn't be you. It would be 10 of you because 1 on 1 is not something more than .0005% of Israeli soldiers would ever take on. I mean you guys look like geeky children holding those weapons. Without numbers and technological advantage you don't do anything because you're cowards and you're weaklings.


by Victor k

weird to protest Hamas given its the genocidal racist Israelis that are doing the murder.

Hamas hasn't committed any murders?


by Deuces McKracken k

Are you Israeli? Because if so we all know it wouldn't be you. It would be 10 of you because 1 on 1 is not something more than .0005% of Israeli soldiers would ever take on. I mean you guys look like geeky children holding those weapons. Without numbers and technological advantage you don't do anything because you're cowards and you're weaklings.

Unlike Hamas, bravely using the Palestinians as human shields.


The protests against Hamas in Gaza are real. Add this to the long list of things Victor has been completely wrong about and tried to confidently lie about.


by jalfrezi k

Which is how we know many of them are genocidal maniacs.

Under Israel's PR system, which puts the lunatics firmly in charge of the asylum, that kind of rhetoric pays.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...


by DoyleBrunsonFan k

The protests against Hamas in Gaza are real. Add this to the long list of things Victor has been completely wrong about and tried to confidently lie about.

you know they are real bc Israel told you so. the same people that created a mass rape hoax and dead baby bullshit.

nobody denies that the people of Gaza are begging to live. the problem is, you and your Israeli brethren want to murder them all. so Hamas or no Hamas, they are going to die gruesomely due to savage Western values.


by DoyleBrunsonFan k

The protests against Hamas in Gaza are real. Add this to the long list of things Victor has been completely wrong about and tried to confidently lie about.

They're quite small -- because Hamas are not exactly democrats and are out to suppress dissent, so it takes courage -- but they are real.

Masked Hamas militants, some armed with guns and others carrying batons, intervened and forcibly dispersed the protesters, assaulting several of them.

Videos shared widely on social media by activists typically critical of Hamas showed young men marching in the streets of Beit Lahia, northern Gaza on Tuesday, chanting "out, out, out, Hamas out".

Hamas said it condemned those who it accused of pushing "suspicious political agendas" and shifting the blame from Israel.

Pro-Hamas supporters downplayed the significance of the protests and accused the participants of being traitors.

It suits Israel to claim this is a sign that military pressure against Hamas is working, and to a limited extent that might have some merit, but Hamas's rivals, Fatah, also have reason to exaggerate anti-Hamas feeling amongst Palestinians.

Further complicating things, many Palestinians have historically opposed Hamas as a governing body, but at the same time supported them as a resistance to Israeli occupation.

On the ground, Ayad Jundia said he lost everything in the war including hundreds of family members and his home. But, he insisted on the importance of speaking out against Hamas's rule.

"Hamas could call anyone a spy if they spoke against them," he said. "Today, we don't care, they can shoot us and call us spies, what matters is Hamas leaves us alone."

Cars and trucks driving by the protest honked and waved peace signs at protesters to show support for the demonstration.


by 57 On Red k

They're quite small -- because Hamas are not exactly democrats and are out to suppress dissent, so it takes courage -- but they are real.

Free-Palestine supporters are denying it.


its funny bc Hamas agreed to step down from running the Gaza strip in the second phase of the ceasefire.

if they step down now, the Palestinians in Gaza will be slaughtered down to the infants. they might anyway. bc thats the whole idea of Zionism.


by corpus vile k

Unlike Hamas, bravely using the Palestinians as human shields.

Israel has no respect for human life so there is no such thing as a human shield in Palestine. Hamas is in the tunnel network. Just because a freedom fighter goes to a hospital for treatment doesn't mean he intends to use the citizens there as human shields. But Israel doesn't abide by international law. It is in Israel's ideology that non Jewish people are not human and not deserving of human rights. So there has never been human shields. A shield by definition is supposed to have stopping power against attacks. Israel wants to kill as many Palestinians as it can. It decides if humans are shields or not and it has said they are not.

In fact Israel is so rabidly fascist that it doesn't care about it's own individual citizens. The prospect of killing Israeli hostages has never altered Israel's attack plans and they have killed many Israeli hostages.

Even Israeli hostages are not human shields. There are no human shields in Israel's eye. The stopping power of a human shield would come from the humanity of the attacker. Israel has no humanity, no effective impulse to protect human life. Israel only cares about it's body politic and it will sacrifice anything, including all the rest of the world, to advance the Jewish supremacist aims of that body politic.


by IMBLUEtheONE k

I think you are a genocidal maniac

No one cares what you say because you just say anything.


Israel has no respect for human life so there is no such thing as a human shield in Palestine

they have been told this many times and its really impossible for them to deny the reality. so they pivot to arguing that Hamas wants Israel to murder babies bc then they can use it as propaganda to trick us dumb Westerners with a conscious.

Even Israeli hostages are not human shields.

at this point, they are more like human magnets. Israel clearly has been trying to kill as many hostages or POWs as possible. they got a lot of propaganda mileage out of their massacre of the Bibas family.


by Victor k

its funny bc Hamas agreed to step down from running the Gaza strip in the second phase of the ceasefire.

if they step down now, the Palestinians in Gaza will be slaughtered down to the infants. they might anyway. bc thats the whole idea of Zionism.

if only those mean israelis would just release the hostages. instead they force hamas to hold onto them and torture them


by checkraisdraw k

if only those mean israelis would just release the hostages. instead they force hamas to hold onto them and torture them

yes, Israel tortures actual hostages. they rape them to death. the women take part in it. a truly sick and depraved society but what else can you expect from Western supremacist religious extremists.

anyway, Hamas has been offering and agreeing to release the hostages and POWs for over a year now. they are worth more in captivity or dead to Israel. thats why Israel routinely murders them.


by Deuces McKracken k

Israel has no respect for human life so there is no such thing as a human shield in Palestine.

Yes there is. It's why thousands of Palestinian civilians have been killed.

Hamas is in the tunnel network.


Which runs directly under civilians in Gaza, so another example of human shields.

Just because a freedom fighter goes to a hospital for treatment doesn't mean he intends to use the citizens there as human shields.

Hamas aren't freedom fighters, they're a fanatical Jew hating death cult and they've launched attacks from hospitals.

Rest of your post is a rant against Israel and how evil they are, so I've no need to entertain it.


lol at "Jew hating". you guys just cant help yourselves.


Gee. Who would have thought?


very normal society


by Brian James k

Gee. Who would have thought?

The Columbia University kid is being deported and the MSM along with his own lawyers have abandoned him. Idk if you’re bright enough to read between the lines and figure out what that means.

Actually, I’m confident I already know how you will interpret it lmao.


by corpus vile k

Yes there is. It's why thousands of Palestinian civilians have been killed.

I think you've been propagandized to the point you've lost track of what a shield is. If they were shields they would be alive. A human shield is a little different than a regular shield. A human shield depends on the aversion to the death of innocent people in order to work. Israel is not so averse. In fact Israel is blood thirsty always. Nobody thinks they can hide behind children, trusting on the good nature of a people who turned evil, a people, these Israelis, who routinely sniper shoot children in ways to make it obvious they are intentionally killing children. If 5 of my neighbors kids were double tapped sniper shot why would I ever think I can hide behind children?

Hiding behind children when facing Israel is no different than hiding behind children facing a rabid dog. The dog is rabid and actually prefers smaller more defenseless victims just like Israel does.

by corpus vile k

Hamas aren't freedom fighters, they're a fanatical Jew hating death cult and they've launched attacks from hospitals.

Rest of your post is a rant against Israel and how evil they are, so I've no need to entertain it.

I don't think they are Jew haters. But if they were I wouldn't blame them any more than I would blame Jews during WWII for hating Germans. If a group of people who are committing genocide and ethnic cleansing against you all strongly identify as one thing you're just not going to like that thing. Would you blame a slave on a plantation for hating all white people? The nuance of "well not all X type of people blah blah blah" tends to get drowned out by daily suffering and humiliations at the hands of X type people.

That said, there have been plenty of pro Palestinian Jews who have been welcomed into Palestinian territory. And I think most of Hamas is aware that Jews in America and elsewhere in the diaspora lead the fight against Zionism and are grateful for the efforts.

I agree there is no counter argument to the proposition that Israel is evil at this point.


can you cite where his lawyers abandoned him?


That part might be fake news.


by DoyleBrunsonFan k

The Columbia University kid is being deported and the MSM along with his own lawyers have abandoned him. Idk if you’re bright enough to read between the lines and figure out what that means.

Actually, I’m confident I already know how you will interpret it lmao.

Yeah, it means you are not allowed to protest against genocide or criticize the actions of the Israeli government in the good old USA, the land of free speech.

No reading between the lines is required.

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