Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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I take it since your primary concern is civilian safety; you agree Hamas should release all the hostages, lay down their arms, end the war, and let foreign groups (which would mainly be Qatar) come in to rebuild Gaza and administer govt affairs until such time as a local civilian govt can be reinstated?
Agree 100% and Israel should be a major financial contributor to the rebuild. Is that a bad thing?
Agree 100% and Israel should be a major financial contributor to the rebuild. Is that a bad thing?
Well, we can quibble over what "major" constitutes. I will say Qatar has been funding and supporting Hamas for decades, making deals left and right with the Trump administration, and have volunteered to be heavily involved in any future rebuild of Gaza. And has a lot more $$ than Israel. So given all this, it seems they should be a major financial contributor also (and probably will be if/when it happens).
Of course this is all a thought exercise. As so far Hamas is committed to retaining control (militarily if not at the civilian govt level) of Gaza; which is a main reason the war is still going 1.5 years in.
This (unfortunately)!I would like to invoke my Several Things Can be True at the Same Time principle:1. Israel's brutality in Gaza is disgusting.2. The vast majority of these poor folks being slaughered would be alive today if Hamas cared even a little bit about the people they claim to represent.3. If 'teamwork makes a dream work' is true, then sadly so does 'teamwork makes
you dont think that Hamas should have tried to break a decades long siege that murdered untold numbers of people? do you blame the people who tried to break out of Sobibor for the extermination of the rest of the camp?
I take it since your primary concern is civilian safety; you agree Hamas should release all the hostages, lay down their arms, end the war, and let foreign groups (which would mainly be Qatar) come in to rebuild Gaza and administer govt affairs until such time as a local civilian govt can be reinstated?
right just give up all sovereignty, all claims to your possessions, all ability for defense, and trust the most depraved and genocidal society of the modern era.
Maybe they can continue the generational struggle. It seems to be working out for them. Another few months and Jerusalem will fall.
they dont really have a choice when dealing with a foreign invader with intent to exterminate them.
You’re mentally ill if you believe that.
no I actually just read the actual words of the early and founding Zionists. but you dont even need to go that far back. you can read the words of today's Israeli Jews where over half want to expel all of the tokenized Palestinian Israelis.
you dont think that Hamas should have tried to break a decades long siege that murdered untold numbers of people? do you blame the people who tried to break out of Sobibor for the extermination of the rest of the camp?
Hamas started a war that they couldn't win. (Maybe there was a tiny chance for Hamas to win had they found more useful idiots like you early on to stan for them.)
If Hamas surrenders tomorrow, there will be no more needless deaths and Gaza can be rebuilt.
Until/unless Hamas is literally destroyed, there will never be a two-state solution.
no I actually just read the actual words of the early and founding Zionists. but you dont even need to go that far back. you can read the words of today's Israeli Jews where over half want to expel all of the tokenized Palestinian Israelis.
I'm sure that number has gone up significantly after Oct 7th and then after seeing the pro Hamas protests throughout the world.
Also, if I were a "Palestinian" I wouldn't want to live next to an Israeli and if I was an Israeli I wouldn't want to live next to a "Palestinian".
It's the reality we currently live in.
Hamas started a war that they couldn't win. (Maybe there was a tiny chance for Hamas to win had they found more useful idiots like you early on to stan for them.)
If Hamas surrenders tomorrow, there will be no more needless deaths and Gaza can be rebuilt.
Until/unless Hamas is literally destroyed, there will never be a two-state solution.
Lol Israel letting Gaza be rebuilt. Thats their land now. **** the Palestinians.
Hamas started a war that they couldn't win. (Maybe there was a tiny chance for Hamas to win had they found more useful idiots like you early on to stan for them.)
If Hamas surrenders tomorrow, there will be no more needless deaths and Gaza can be rebuilt.
Until/unless Hamas is literally destroyed, there will never be a two-state solution.
Bibi and the Israelis refute all of this.
and it would not have worked very well for the Soviets. it surely didnt work well for most of Eastern Europe. nor did it work well for the Native Americans.
Bibi and the Israelis refute all of this.
and it would not have worked very well for the Soviets. it surely didnt work well for most of Eastern Europe. nor did it work well for the Native Americans.
I never said surrendering always works out. It often does, though. Especially if you have zero chance to win.
Of course, since Hamas literally doesn't care about the lives of Gazans any more than Bibi does apparently, we are where we are.
If you were advising Hamas, what would you advise them to do at this point?
Im not gonna advise Hamas on anything lol. how could I know more than them? and ofc they didnt start this war, nor did the natives. like, how absurd would it be to say that Native Americans started a war with the European colonists?
Cute. The Palestinians decided to wage war against Israel/USA? Does that help you sleep at night?
Just a reminder the entire world is just in a holding pattern waiting for Hamas to abdicate, so aid can come in and rebuilding can commence. Funding and plans for rebuilding are already in place. Hamas really are the largest impediment to peace at this point, and whatever (arguable) positive function they provided for the people is long past its expiration date.
The best explanation in one place of why it's genocide, in the NYT even.
Holocaust scholar and IDF veteran Omer Bartov:
I’m a Genocide Scholar. I Know It When I See It.
genocide denotes the killing of people as members of a group, geared at irreparably destroying the group itself so that it would never be able to reconstitute itself as a political, social or cultural entity. . . . the systematic destruction in Gaza not only of housing but also of other infrastructure — government buildings, hospitals, universities, schools, mosques, cultural heritage sites, water treatment plants, agriculture areas, and parks — reflects a policy aimed at making the revival of Palestinian life in the territory highly unlikely.
Anybody care to dispute the last sentence?
In other news Islamist militias backed by turkey and Iran (and given the green light by Europe and the US who were bought and paid for by Qatar) are sweeping through southern Syria, and Israel is pretty much the only one attempting to fight back and protect locals.
They can't dispute it. Zionists know that they're on the wrong side of history, their hate is stronger than their shame.
At some point the world is going to realize just how much they were played by turkey and Qatar, and how much all the outrage about AiPaC and Jewish money was a smoke screen for who was really doing all the influence peddling and bribing behind the scenes.
In other news Islamist militias backed by turkey and Iran (and given the green light by Europe and the US who were bought and paid for by Qatar) are sweeping through southern Syria, and Israel is pretty much the only one attempting to fight back and protect locals.
you mean the Druze militias that are attacking the HTS thugs that have been exterminating the minorities all over Southern Syria? that seems far from what you describe it as.
At some point the world is going to realize just how much they were played by turkey and Qatar, and how much all the outrage about AiPaC and Jewish money was a smoke screen for who was really doing all the influence peddling and bribing behind the scenes.
Whataboutism at its finest.
