Israel/Palestine thread
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Finally, that firepower has also become more accurate. Hizbullah now routinely uses small quadcopters to identify immediate targets for rockets. It has also been sending reconnaissance drones to identify targets and, one or two days later, strike drones to attack them “very accurately”, says the officer. Positions that the idf once thought were well camouflaged have repeatedly been found and hit, he says. “The only reason we don’t have huge casualties in the north,” he adds, “is that our forces remain out of sight.” If the idf had to go on the offensive, that would change.
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Then there is the matter of scale. Israeli generals talk optimistically of a limited ground manoeuvre to capture a “security zone” to prevent Hizbullah from firing on Israeli border villages. In 1982 the idf needed seven divisions to invade Lebanon. Four divisions were used in the smaller war of 2006. At present, the idf is stretched thin in Gaza and the West Bank. At least one of the units sent to training bases in the north for exercises, in terrain simulating Lebanon, has already been sent back to fight in Gaza. “I don’t see where they’re going to bring enough soldiers from,” says one reservist who took part in those drills.
BTW no idea how much damage occurs in the Hamas video I posted. The two things I'm posting here are unrelated.
The 2006 ground invasion didn't accomplish very much, but the bombing campaign was successful. Maybe the strategy should be to give civilians sufficient time to leave, destroy EVERYTHING within 10 KM (or whatever) of the border, and create a sufficient buffer zone this way.
With maybe limited ground invasion to destroy infrastructure once an area is deemed safe enough.
are you talking about IDF? the people that came in the early 1900s and waged war against the british so that the british would stop protecting the palestinians?
The Jews were the Palestinians of that time. The Arab leaders of that time completely rejected the idea of a Palestinian state where Jews could live. In 120 years, nothing has changed.
The 2006 ground invasion didn't accomplish very much, but the bombing campaign was successful. Maybe the strategy should be to give civilians sufficient time to leave, destroy EVERYTHING within 10 KM (or whatever) of the border, and create a sufficient buffer zone this way.
With maybe limited ground invasion to destroy infrastructure once an area is deemed safe enough.
This is the worst possible decision Israel could make imo. Israel will get overwhelmed with missiles, they won't be able to do anything decisive, other Iranian will likely gey involved, and then Israel will be doing this all again in a few years.
If they attack (they shouldnt) then they need to mobilize and launch a serious campaign.
"Palestinians" covers a lot of ground. No one representing the Palestinians in any official capacity has ever shown the slightest interest in a peaceful state coexisting with Israel. Hamas doesn't even pretend. Even when begging for a "ceasefire," they acknowledge they will break such ceasefire at their convenience and will eventually conquer all of Israel and kill, enslave or make dhimni all Jews in a future Islamic apartheid state.
IF Palestinians actually wanted a state, the first people
If Palestinians aren’t really from Palestine then the first citizens of Israel couldn’t have been from Israel.
Give them the state they want and if one state attacks the other then bring in peacekeeping forces.
I cant think of a single example of colonial power just "giving" a subjugated people their freedom and self determination. almost all of them gained independence with violent struggle contributing in some important fashion.
BTW no idea how much damage occurs in the Hamas video I posted. The two things I'm posting here are unrelated.
I think that the IDF admitted casualties in this area. could be from the this blast.
it wasnt a Shawaz shaped charge according to Elmer, which almost certainly would have caused significant casualties Elmer calls it an IED and I think we can reasonably guess that the fighters know the exact place to put it on the Merkava.
I think they put Shawaz behind the tanks at a few feet. looks like they planted this device on the tank itself.
good news though, Elmer is on the EI livestream right now! and may talk about this one soon enough though! (not sure if it made the cutoff for this week's resistance rundown, he may do it next week.)
it's crazy IDF paints their tanks bright red like that, seems like poor camoflauge
Elmer just mentioned this and showed the video
somehow I missed that the Resistance sniped a guy while he was on a rooftop talking to his mom on the phone. I just wonder what sort of training these guys have. why are they talking on the phone on roofs with snipers all around?
Elmer just talked about that tank video
he speculates that it was possibly empty because one of the heroic Resistance fighters ran in front of it to escape. which would have been too dangerous but who knows maybe they were making a tiktok video or trying on lingerie.
he also said that the IED can penetrate 60cm of armor and certainly would have resulted in casualties.
and he said there was no casualty report from that area so I initially misspoke in the previous post.
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Hamas has allegedly re-opened hostage talks. Who knows if it is real or not at this point.
I will say the biggest disaster for the people living in Gaza would be Israel making a deal leaving Hamas in charge of the ruins. Absolutely no hope moving forward with those psychotic, homicidal clowns in charge; especially in such a weakened state.
That being said I dont know if Israel feels it is in their best interests to do this; as the smuggling tunnels would quickly re-open, Iranian (and possibly Chinese) weapons would come flowing in, and it would only be a matter of time before a re-stocked Hamas would start attacking Israel again.
seems what is going on now would be worse than Hamas in charge.
its kind of weird to say Hamas is weakened when they are still killing invaders all across the strip and their approval levels have never been higher. they are releasing videos daily of repurposing bombs and "returning to sender".
meanwhile Israelis are returning home with PTSD over their friends being killed and the fact that their conscious is now weighed by their murder of starving children at close range (as I linked earlier from Israeli media).
This is the worst possible decision Israel could make imo. Israel will get overwhelmed with missiles, they won't be able to do anything decisive, other Iranian will likely gey involved, and then Israel will be doing this all again in a few years.
If they attack (they shouldnt) then they need to mobilize and launch a serious campaign.
? Iranians get involved? why do you think this when they keep telegraphing "please help us de-escalate?"
seems what is going on now would be worse than Hamas in charge.
its kind of weird to say Hamas is weakened when they are still killing invaders all across the strip and their approval levels have never been higher. they are releasing videos daily of repurposing bombs and "returning to sender".
meanwhile Israelis are returning home with PTSD over their friends being killed and the fact that their conscious is now weighed by their murder of starving children at close range (as I linked earlier
Hamas has great propaganda
Hamas are veg heads. This war is taking place on arab land and Al J is best situated to narrate however serves them the best. They can make hamas look like the worlds greatest freedom fighters right up to the point to where they would let those idiots around their own wives and gfs.
