Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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the US state department lies all the time. so their words have no bearing at all in this case considering they are the ones doing the plausible genocide.
as for Karina, there is no confirmation that was a Hamas member. many others crossed the border. and was she IDF or ex-IDF? would a 23 year old resistance or exiresistance member not get murdered by Israel? cmon. everything you condemn Hamas for is done orders of magnitude worse by the IDF.
I dont think you want to bring the Olympics into this considering how many athletes Israel and the USA have killed in the last 9 months.
Nothing to see here. Just a Hamas militant casually executing 2 Jewish girls begging for their lives. It is funny how so many posts in this thread are condemning Israel for committing this type of behavior, yet somehow it is never caught on tape. And a good chunk more posts declaring Hamas doesn't do this kind of stuff, despite hours and hours of tape of them committing thes
Yeah, thats monstrous too. Lots of monstrosity to go around.
again, I wonder how a 23 yr old ex-Hamas member would be treated by Israeli soldiers. and how much collateral damage would the pro-Israel people allow to eliminate him or her.
again, I wonder how a 23 yr old ex-Hamas member would be treated by Israeli soldiers. and how much collateral damage would the pro-Israel people allow to eliminate him or her.
You can wonder about it all you want, but you can actually see how Hamas treats Israelis. Did the video work for you?
You can wonder about it all you want, but you can actually see how Hamas treats Israelis. Did the video work for you?
it was rhetorical. we know that Israel would execute them, their family, their neighbors, and the guy who delivered pizza to him last night.
and yes, we know how Hamas treats Israeli's bc we all saw how the hostages were returned. compare that to the torture camps that Israel is running.
Oh yeah, these are the people most Western nations have unconditionally pledged to send blank checks and unlimited aid to, while demanding Israel unconditionally ceasefire, so Hamas can remilitarize Gaza and turn it back into a war zone to continue the never ending struggle to destroy Israel.
You're turning into another poster who constantly falls victim to slippery slopes.
again, I wonder how a 23 yr old ex-Hamas member would be treated by Israeli soldiers. and how much collateral damage would the pro-Israel people allow to eliminate him or her.
Gross. Just own what happened on October 7.
Regarding the 'status quo' response. The status quo is gone. It's over whatever anyone does. The future is not rockets that need to be launched near the border. It's cheap AI drones in a quantity and variety that were just at the beginning of. No country is going to stop them being launched. Very high tech counter measures plus political solutions are the only approach for the
We will probably see an antidrone laser system in Ukraine next year.
It's a literal arms race. It's barely scratched the surface and it's going to be wild. Only a tiny imagination is required to realise the variety and quantity that can be developed and deployed.
Defense keeping up is going to be very hard because it has to stop such a high percentage to be useful. When they are coming in swarms (or sleepers) then you have to get nearly all of them every time.
Yeah it's pretty crazy. I don't think there's any way to predict where this goes. In Ukraine there's a constant back and forth regarding EW which is going to continue as well.
I agee. Except the certaiinty that it's goign to be massive
Weapon technology changes the world and empires fall. Crossbow, stirrup, gundowder, rifle, airplane etc etc. This could trump them all.
as soon as you own what happens every day in Gaza
BGP, Hamas should have done more to avoid civilian harm.
anyway, looks like we got a bit of a rape scandal in Israeli media
https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/syda...
On the topic of innovative military tech, it is thought that a British arms embargo of Israel is imminent under the new Labour govt. What makes this interesting from an actual military perspective is that Israel buys pretty much nothing military from Britain, and what it does can be easily bought through US intermediaries. Britain however buys a lot of military tech from Israel, including high end stuff. And Israel is recognized as much more involved in developing new military technology than Britain (necessity being the mother of invention), such as aforementioned defensive laser systems.
I mean, if the current British govt wants to stand on its principles and support Islamism and turn its back on Israel that is fine. But the downstream effects could be very negative for Britain keeping up in the arms race.
That being said, given Britain's safe location in the middle of what is left of the American empire, it can just get out of the military game altogether and rely on the fact the enemies of civilization would have to go through the US to get to them anyways.
All empires fall, and most just disappear after, and Britain had as good a run as any. Maybe it is time to just completely disappear and become an interesting footnote in history like the Mongols.
Ok. Fair enough. I understand many leftists and Islamist sympathizers live in an alternate version of reality where 10/7 didn't really happen; but I think it is important for even the most ardent Israel critic to remember how this war started, and what the people Israel are fighting believe in and stand for.
There are no winners. Sure you can have ago at us ukers here because its the just the uk so who cares? But it's just not the UK where netanyahu has done so much damage to support for israel. It's just about everywhere.
We're in Aukus among other alliances. And we're ranked at #3 on AI research & tech (behind usa and china). And still have a few half decent universities. so I wouldn't polish your vengence too much just yet.
In other news whatever chance for a ceasefire deal appears to be officially dead. Hamas has signaled they have no desire to negotiate at all anymore; which makes sense given western leaders have assured them they will unconditionally give them what they want and pressure Israel into a unilateral ceasefire. Of course more and more Palestinians will die in the interim; but from Hamas perspective that is perfectly acceptable.
The cause of destroying Israel is the end goal, and any level of casualties to meet this goal is acceptable. However, given that Hamas still has 100+ Israeli hostages, and refuses to even give them a list of who they have or if they are dead or alive (which is step #1 of any hostage deal) I just dont mechanistically see how any ceasefire can happen, short of Westen nations allying with Iran and its proxies to attack Israel to force them to leave, which might be in the cards at some point; especially if Harris becomes President.
Ok. Fair enough. I understand many leftists and Islamist sympathizers live in an alternate version of reality where 10/7 didn't really happen; but I think it is important for even the most ardent Israel critic to remember how this war started, and what the people Israel are fighting believe in and stand for.
https://www.cnn.com/shorts/cnn-shorts?ii...
Thoughts on this video?
Turkey obv' aren't entering Israel but it's indicative of the sentiment and it's quite possible they will get more involved at some point.
Turkey threatens to ‘enter’ Israel to protect Palestinians
Erdoğan often makes rhetorical flourishes to appeal to his core Islamist support base, but Turkey is also a significant military player — with NATO's second-biggest military — and he has been willing to make major interventions in the region, including in Syria and Iraq.
Turkey supported Azerbaijan during the Second Nagorno-Karabakh War against Armenia in 2020, though has long denied any direct involvement, and has deployed troops in Libya in support of the United Nations-recognized government since 2020.
Israeli Foreign Minister Israel Katz responded to Erdoğan’s comments in a post on social media on Sunday, comparing him to Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.
“Erdoğan follows in the footsteps of Saddam Hussein and threatens to attack Israel. Just let him remember what happened there and how it ended,” he wrote.
Erdoğan has been fiercely critical of Israel’s conduct during its conflict with Hamas, accusing Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu of genocide, halting all trade with Israel and recalling the Turkish ambassador. Israel has in turn recalled its diplomats from Turkey and accused Ankara of supporting Hamas and Iran.
oh look another unhinged threat from Israel.
the funny thing is that Turkey has been shipping weapons to Israel all along.
All empires fall, and most just disappear after, and Britain had as good a run as any. Maybe it is time to just completely disappear and become an interesting footnote in history like the Mongols.
Don't be silly. The British Empire hasn't existed for two generations, but the United Kingdom is still here and will remain here. Whether Israel, an artificial imperialistic construct based on late-19th-century ethno-nationalism and ethnic cleansing, and created somewhat out of its time and only because of peculiar circumstances after the Second World War, will last another two generations, given its own increasingly stressful internal contradictions... well, maybe.
not everyone who crossed the boarder was Hamas. not even all the militants were Hamas.
Israeli leaders were literally arguing that it is ok to rape a "Nukba terrorist" today.
I dunno maybe the translation is wrong.
