Israel/Palestine thread
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It really is heading to a country that is "burning children alive by the hour." I wonder if this was done to try to prevent the Houthis from attacking.
The other was heading to Egypt, a country that is trying to help Gaza...
The Blue Lagoon I is traveling south through the Red Sea to an unlisted destination. The vessel was coming from Russia’s port of Ust-Luga on the Baltic Sea and had been broadcasting that it had Russian-origin cargo on board.
In recent months, the Blue Lagoon I traveled to India, which gets more than 40% of its oil imports from Russia despite Moscow’s ongoing war on Ukraine and the international sanctions it faces over it.
Looks like it was done to try to avoid the Houthis, and it was part of the shadow fleet.
Thanks for the link.
It’s not their land. It’s the land they have been living on for hundreds of years until the pre IDF forces defeated the British forces and then took over their urban command center as their own
I don’t understand how you guys can conflate “torture anyone who disagrees” with “torture happens”
This is not only false (it is their land, and no 'pre-IDF forces defeated the British forces' -- that is not a thing that ever happened except in the far-gone imaginations of extreme terrorist-supporting Zionists, as has been previously pointed out) but it is also implicitly and aggressively racist.
I’m sorry you’re completely wrong.
I’ve posted this many times but here you go
“ In World War II, British forces took control of Sarona and converted it into a prison camp for Germans. After the war, the German prisoners were deported, mostly to Australia, and Sarona became a British military and police base. The base was the site of the first-ever unconcealed Haganah attack on a British installation.[1]
The base was taken over by the Haganah on December 16, 1947, and renamed Camp Yehoshua afte
Still interested in learning why 57red is spreading lies. I reported your racist post that’s full of lies
Not agreeing with a silly wiki article that makes up fake history isn't a lie.
Btw the source of that claim is unavailable lol. They cite a book without saying where supposedly that claim is made. It's a made up claim.
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Not agreeing with a silly wiki article that makes up fake history isn't a lie.
Btw the source of that claim is unavailable lol. They cite a book without saying where supposedly that claim is made. It's a made up claim.
Which claim is made up? Are you saying they aren’t occupying an old British command headquarters?
Or you’re saying they didn’t beat the British out of it?
So the British sold them the base or gave it to them- that’s your argument?
Haganah, (Hebrew: “Defense”😉, Zionist military organization representing the majority of the Jews in Palestine from 1920 to 1948. Organized to combat the revolts of Palestinian Arabs against the Jewish settlement of Palestine, it early came under the influence of the Histadrut (“General Federation of Labour”😉. Although it was outlawed by the British Mandatory authorities and was poorly armed, it managed effectively to defend Jewish settlements.
The Haganah’s activities were moderate, at least until the end of World War II, in accord with the organized Jewish community’s policy of havlaga (“self-restraint”😉; it opposed the political philosophy and terrorist activities of the Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang. The general membership of the Haganah served on a part-time basis; in 1941, a full-time commando force, the Palmach (Hebrew acronym for Pluggot Machatz, “Shock Companies”😉 was organized. After World War II, when the British refused to open Palestine to unlimited Jewish immigration, the Haganah turned to terrorist activities, bombing bridges, rail lines, and ships used to deport “illegal” Jewish immigrants.
What confuses me:
If the Palestinians agreed to live in peace with Israel they would have peace, and a future. Nobody seems willing to say this. Not sure why. There is zero chance Israel would start a war with someone that is at peace with them. Some will argue that Hamas was justified in attacking Israel because Israel is an occupying force. But, oddly, it would stand to reason that Hamas can only safely attack Israel because of this arrangement. If Hamas were to lead an independent Palestinian
The Palestinian leadership doesn't want a state, even with the 1967 borders which aren't even on the table. In their mind a Palestinian state would weaken their claim to all of Israel, and for many persons would threaten their ability to steal refugee aid money. The people making decisions in Palestinian society are completely satisfied with their forever war, funded by the West, that the rest of the world refuses to let Israel win.
Now, let Israel win or change the aid dynamics; and suddenly continuing the forever war will seem like a less rational choice.
Why were all the fishing boats destroyed, and the water system and all the universities, the schools, churches, mosques, 70% of the housing, and what will probably be 200,000 killed?
Because Hamas had been allowed to take root, infest and entrench themselves in nearly every facet of Palestinian life. It’s almost as if you have no idea what is going on.
Because Hamas had been allowed to take root, infest and entrench themselves in nearly every facet of Palestinian life. It’s almost as if you have no idea what is going on.
its so funny to read the US/UK perspective and then to scroll Israeli social media where they say have a completely different justification.
Why were all the fishing boats destroyed, and the water system and all the universities, the schools, churches, mosques, 70% of the housing, and what will probably be 200,000 killed?
Where is the basis of 200k killed? If you are going to cite the lancet "article" please realize that was a non-peer reviewed "letter" with horrible methodology.
Even if you destroy all critical infrastructure, it doesn't matter because the Palestinians are being supported with aid from both Israel and the international community at the highest rate of any country at war that there has been. Furthermore, many of the people that go one about ZOMG 40k KILLED SO FAR don't even acknowledge that 20k of those were Hamas soldiers. No one is ever going to be able to fight a war against Hamas without heavy civilian casualties as well because news flash Hamas hides behind civilians.
Where is the basis of 200k killed? If you are going to cite the lancet "article" please realize that was a non-peer reviewed "letter" with horrible methodology.
Even if you destroy all critical infrastructure, it doesn't matter because the Palestinians are being supported with aid from both Israel and the international community at the highest rate of any country at war that there has been. Furthermore, many of the people that go one about ZOMG 40k KILLED SO FAR don't even acknowledge that 20k of
People don’t say that because when it’s pointed out that many of the people killed at the rave on 10/7 were IDF forces , people get MAD
well, Israel abducted and tortured the doctor who wrote that article so I guess thats fine. no one has heard from him months.
seems fine. they proly found a Hamas Nukba terroritst in his butthole.
People don’t say that because when it’s pointed out that many of the people killed at the rave on 10/7 were IDF forces , people get MAD
Wait are you talking about the fact that every Israeli is forced to conscript? You realize that not every role in the IDF is a military role, right?
well, Israel abducted and tortured the doctor who wrote that article so I guess thats fine. no one has heard from him months.
seems fine. they proly found a Hamas Nukba terroritst in his butthole.
Is the source on this your crack pipe or are we just doing blood libel now?
Where is the basis of 200k killed? If you are going to cite the lancet "article" please realize that was a non-peer reviewed "letter" with horrible methodology.
Even if you destroy all critical infrastructure, it doesn't matter because the Palestinians are being supported with aid from both Israel and the international community at the highest rate of any country at war that there has been. Furthermore, many of the people that go one about ZOMG 40k KILLED SO FAR don't even acknowledge that 20k of
Hypothetically, would 200k dead be too much for you? Would that be the point where you say "Gee, this has gone too far now?"
Hypothetically, would 200k dead be too much for you? Would that be the point where you say "Gee, this has gone too far now?"
No idea, we don't judge if a war is just and was fought within international law based off of raw numbers alone. Also I'd like to point out that once again you're not discriminating between combatants being killed and civilians being killed. You guys just like to pretend that everyone killed is a civilian, and that every civilian killed was just sitting there in a refugee camp minding their own business and not actively being used by Hamas as human shields.
^^ I'm marking you down as being comfortable with a 200,000 body count.
Where is the basis of 200k killed? If you are going to cite the lancet "article" please realize that was a non-peer reviewed "letter" with horrible methodology.
Lancet is the only estimate taking account of the missing. The estimate's methodology was acceptable to Lancet, a bit more authoritative than you.
Where is the basis of 200k killed? If you are going to cite the lancet "article" please realize that was a non-peer reviewed "letter" with horrible methodology.
Even if you destroy all critical infrastructure, it doesn't matter because the Palestinians are being supported with aid from both Israel and the international community at the highest rate of any country at war that there has been. Furthermore, many of the people that go one about ZOMG 40k KILLED SO FAR don't even acknowledge that 20k of
Lol what? It doesn't matter? It will take years to rebuild. How does ''because they get aid'' mean it doesn't matter?
Yes I blame Hamas but stop talking nonsense. It obviously matters. A lot. The innocent people affected will suffer for years and years after the war ends.
Wait are you talking about the fact that every Israeli is forced to conscript? You realize that not every role in the IDF is a military role, right?
Is the source on this your crack pipe or are we just doing blood libel now?
I would like to discuss this with you
What diff does it make if it’s forced or not?
No I didn’t know that not every role in the IDF is not a military role , but what difference does that make
Good for you, I don't take my cues on morality from Hamas supporters.
Lancet is the only estimate taking account of the missing. The estimate's methodology was acceptable to Lancet, a bit more authoritative than you.
Please, I'm really curious, cite me the peer-reviewed article where Lancet estimates the death toll.
Lol what? It doesn't matter? It will take years to rebuild. How does ''because they get aid'' mean it doesn't matter?
Yes I blame Hamas but stop talking nonsense. It obviously matters. A lot. The innocent people affected will suffer for years and years after the war ends.
Did you even read what I was saying? I said it doesn't matter in the context of them getting to "200k eventually" because that 200k figure is based on indirect deaths. They're not going to get to 200k if we stop the war right now because there is massive international aid being given to the population of Gaza.
