Israel/Palestine thread
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Show us where Ireland has sided with Hamas,
Your use of England instead of the correct state is a good indication you have nfi what you’re talking about,
This proves my point most of the claims of "IDF atrocities" are mostly just bullshit. Everyone has a camera and is filming non stop, and the worst thing they could come up with is in the middle of a battle some soldiers pushing already dead bodies off a rooftop. What a complete nothing burger.
This is a pretty bad thing though..
There's no evidence in that article of support for Hamas, it's just a smear.
Recognizing a Palestinian state favors all Palestinians and is not indicative of an opinion about Hamas.
The oped also gives no reason to think the recognition of Palestine was not driven by the genocide.
It is funny. I dont remember Al Jazeera, you, Bill Haywood, Victor or anyone else that is outraged by militant bodies being dumped off a roof being particularly perturbed when Hamas Jihadis were dragging bodies of 10/7 Jewish victims through the streets of Gaza while jubilant throngs of Palestinians danced on their bodies crying out Allah Akbar.
Why is that do you think that is?
There's no evidence in that article of support for Hamas, it's just a smear.
Recognizing a Palestinian state favors all Palestinians and is not indicative of an opinion about Hamas.
The oped also gives no reason to think the recognition of Palestine was not driven by the genocide.
You mean 10/7, when the Jewish Kibbutzes were genocided?
Seems like now is as good a time as any for Hezbollah to stop attacking Israel and retreat behind the Litani River, as promised in 2007; so no one else has to die.
That is the part of the equation all the Islamists sycophants seem to be missing. Is that Hezbollah are the ones causing all of this by their continual attacks of Israel since 10/8/23. And they can stop anytime to end hostilities.
You are right. This is very disturbing. They say you become what you hate, and after 80 years after fighting its Arab neighbors and the IRI, unfortunately the Israeli right seems to be becoming more and more like them, which is not a good thing.
There was also videos of Israelis passing out candies in the street recently to celebrate all the Hezbollah casualties (a very repulsive local Arab custom). This is not ok, and I am very heartened Israel and the Jewish people have a vibrant left that is able and willing to stand against such behavior.
I dont agree with Haaretz on everything, but I think it is a very good thing that Israel has a Haaretz, and more generally a left that will call out and stand up to bad behavior. And something that is very missing among the Islamist societies trying to destroy Israel.
You are right. This is very disturbing. They say you become what you hate, and after 80 years after fighting its Arab neighbors and the IRI, unfortunately the Israeli right seems to be becoming more and more like them, which is not a good thing.
There was also videos of Israelis passing out candies in the street recently to celebrate all the Hezbollah casualties (a very repulsive local Arab custom). This is not ok, and I am very heartened Israel and the Jewish people have a vibrant left that
Good post. I get that war leads to dehumanization naturally but it’s worth reminding ourselves not to become the very thing we’re fighting against.
You are right. This is very disturbing. They say you become what you hate, and after 80 years after fighting its Arab neighbors and the IRI, unfortunately the Israeli right seems to be becoming more and more like them, which is not a good thing.
There was also videos of Israelis passing out candies in the street recently to celebrate all the Hezbollah casualties (a very repulsive local Arab custom). This is not ok, and I am very heartened Israel and the Jewish people have a vibrant left that
Absolutly. it's a large part of why we have to hold ourselves to a higher moral standard than those we oppose.
Worse for israel than netanyhau increasingly isolating them internationally, it's that he is making that isolation justified.
Good post. I get that war leads to dehumanization naturally but it’s worth reminding ourselves not to become the very thing we’re fighting against.
I tell myself this often, it's a losing battle.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/20...
US officials expect significant escalation between Israel and Hezbollah
U.S. officials are anticipating that the fighting between Israel and Hezbollah will increase significantly in the coming days, potentially sparking an all-out war between the two sides.
Good read:
Batteries of Lebanon walkie-talkies contained PETN explosive - Lebanese source
-The batteries of the walkie-talkies used by Lebanese armed group Hezbollah that blew up this week were laced with a highly explosive compound known as PETN, a Lebanese source familiar with the device's components told Reuters.
The way the explosive material was integrated into the battery pack made it extremely difficult to detect, the source said.
Hundreds of walkie-talkies used by the group exploded on Wednesday, a day after thousands of Hezbollah's pagers detonated across the group's strongholds in Lebanon.
Pictures of the walkie-talkies that had exploded showed labels reading "ICOM" and "made in Japan". Icom has said it halted production a decade ago of the radio models identified in the attack, and that most of those still on sale were counterfeit.
Yoshiki Enomoto, the general manager of Icom's security and trade division, told Reuters it was possible that an older Icom device had been modified to make a bomb.
It would be difficult to insert an explosive device into the main compartment of the walkie-talkie because its electronics are tightly packed, so it was more likely to have been in the detachable battery pack, Enomoto told the Japanese broadcaster Fuji TV.
The Lebanese source said explosions had occurred even in cases where the battery pack was separated from the rest of the device.
An article in the Telegraph, a paper which has become a propaganda piece for its owners, is proof of nothing.
I don’t have a subscription to it to read the article, and neither I suspect do you. Well done with the google though.
I tell myself this often, it's a losing battle.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/20...
US officials expect significant escalation between Israel and Hezbollah
Good read:
Doesn’t seem like the Biden admin has much of a handle on the situation.
That's been the case since the start of this.
Prof Veronika Cohen, who was born in the Jewish ghetto of Budapest and was saved by what she has described as “a series of miracles”, turned her birthday into a protest in front of Neve Tirtza women’s prison in Ramla.
The protest was aimed at exposing the degrading treatment faced by Palestinian prisoners, as well as bringing attention to Israel’s systematic use of administrative detention – which allows for indefinite detention without charge or trial – during the Gaza war.
“At a time, particularly during this crucial moment, when you think there are no more hearts left to break, mine shattered upon learning about the deplorable conditions endured by Palestinian detainees,” said Cohen, a professor emeritus at the Jerusalem Academy of Music and Dance. “Furthermore, I made the decision to stand before this prison where Khalida Jarrar, a Palestinian politician, has been unjustly imprisoned for over 10 months, without any trial received or specific criminal charge pressed against her.”
Jarrar, 61, a senior Palestinian feminist politician and a prominent figure in the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), a faction in the Palestine Liberation Organisation, was arrested by the Israeli army on 26 December, along with other activists of her leftist party, after troops stormed the West Bank city of Al-Bireh, near Ramallah, at dawn.
In June, Jarrar – who was elected in 2006 to the Palestinian assembly as a PFLP representative, and has long been an advocate of women’s rights – was ordered to serve another six months behind bars without charge or trial under administrative detention, one day before her previous detention order was due to expire.
and this isn't some new thing. She has been a heroic campaigner for a very long time
Cohen was one of the few Jewish children who survived the Holocaust in the Budapest ghetto. Nearly 80,000 Jews were killed in the Hungarian capital, shot on the banks of the Danube and then thrown into the water.
“I survived thanks to mother and my father, who had been deported to a labour camp,” said Cohen, who has also served on the committee for Israel’s national music curriculum. “He used to say that he would return because I was still alive, and that was the only reason keeping him alive – to reunite with his daughter.”
When Cohen arrived in Israel in 1979, she says she realised she had to fight against the occupation “as it was destroying us and the Palestinians”.
She said: “We cannot build a strong, democratic country without ending the occupation. So, much of my efforts were focused on fostering dialogue between Palestinians and Israelis. I have an optimistic belief that if we get to know each other, the destruction would stop.
“You can assume what I feel about the current government, which is not my government. That’s why, in these tragic times, I wanted to do something special for my birthday.”
I actually believe Nasrallah when he says he wishes Israel would invade. Hezbollah's reputation is taking hit after hit.
Seems possible that Israel used the initial attack on Hezbollah as a test to see if there would be any type of military retaliation threatened by Iran. So far Iran has signaled that they’re not willing to engage directly with Israel and that the Houthis, Hezbollah, and Hamas are merely their canon fodder. I don’t know what promises were made to them but the subtext is pretty clear here that at least for now they’re on their own.
However, Araghchi, echoing other statements by other Iranian officials, indicated a cautious approach to the issue of responding to Israel. “Regarding Lebanon's issues, it is natural that Hezbollah will make its own decisions and respond appropriately. Other matters will be addressed as the situation requires. The assassination of martyr Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran will not go unanswered.”
I’m not sure if Iran is spooked by the attack on Hezbollah or not, but they don’t seem to want to escalate to a direct conflict, just hoping that they can inflame enough jihadist tension on Israel’s borders to send them into a protracted conflict that the international community will lose their appetite for. It seems like Israel wants to put a swift end to the three front (or four front depending on how you see the Houthi blockade) war and get back to focusing on Hamas, so their strategy is a shock campaign against Hezbollah and in contrast a more targeted campaign against the IRI.
Ironically I think that most of the gambles by these jihadist groups has not paid off, and Israel should have full support due to how successful they have been with facing off against so many actors without attempting to pull other countries in. Their PR throughout this has been an utter disaster, which has been pointed out time and again so I won’t rehash it.
I actually believe Nasrallah when he says he wishes Israel would invade. Hezbollah's reputation is taking hit after hit.
I think he absolutely wants them to invade. Israel probably wants them to fire as many rockets as they can at them so they can start carpet bombing Lebanon before sending any significant boots on the ground. Hezbollah probably just continue to take some shots here and there but try to walk the line not giving Israel justification to Gaza the place. Plus Hezbollah is for sure weakened/disabled at the moment.
they are still launching hundreds of rockets and just yesterday targeted an air force base.
but they dont want all out war and so long as Nazrallah and the old guys are in charge they wont bite. they think that a long term war of attrition where they just continue to exist and harass Israeli is the best path to decolonialization. they dont give a **** about what Western pundits think of their capabilities or strategy.
And just now it looks like they are hitting another air force base.
