Israel/Palestine thread
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my post was directed at bubble balls.
trolly is making light of the fact that the West will now blow up those tankers and use transparently bullshit justification.
Minor update:
The tankers are not the important part here. I don't think anyone other than Israel wants to blow up Kharg though.
Ive posted mainstream links for all of those actions in the last 24 hours.
Minor update:
The tankers are not the important part here. I don't think anyone other than Israel wants to blow up Kharg though.
Iran has said if their oil infrastructure is targeted, they're going after everyone else's oil fields and refineries in the region minus Iraq.
Russia probably wouldn't hate that outcome.
Yeah let's hope Israel doesn't start hunting down the tankers.
Since the West's interest in Israel is centered around securing the supply of oil from the ME, it'll be quite out of line if they start blowing up tankers. I guess they would be Iranian tankers, but oil is fungible and limiting supply would hurt in a lot of places.
bombed a cafe in the West Bank killing 20 so far.
more Lebanese soldiers killed and wounded. remember, Lebanese Army is separate from Hezbollah and many pro-Westerners and pro-Israelis were speaking as if they would collaborate and help run a post-war occupation.
an American was killed as well in Lebanon but probably not a "real American" to many.
True. Also, the vast majority of the international community have voted numerous times for an immediate ceasefire. And correct me if I’m wrong but public opinion of Israel has fallen basically everywhere. I would say the global consensus leans towards Israel having a right to self defense but not like this.
Israel accepted the terms of the ceasefire despite it not including a few of the critical provisions that Israel wanted in. Hamas turned it down
Hamas is the only side that has refused the ceasefire that the international community put together.
The ceasefire Hamas "agreed to" was one that didnt even have Israel at the table and had terms that they knew Israel would never accept.
So whats the point of bringing up ceasefire as a way to condemn Israel???
Israel accepted the terms of the ceasefire despite it not including a few of the critical provisions that Israel wanted in. Hamas turned it down
Hamas is the only side that has refused the ceasefire that the international community put together.
The ceasefire Hamas "agreed to" was one that didnt even have Israel at the table and had terms that they knew Israel would never accept.
So whats the point of bringing up ceasefire as a way to condemn Israel???
Pretty sure Israel wasn't accepting a ceasefire that didn't let them continue to control the southern border but also Hamas had demands Israel wasn't going to accept.
Pretty sure Israel wasn't accepting a ceasefire that didn't let them continue to control the southern border but also Hamas had demands Israel wasn't going to accept.
Israel accepted the terms that the US had backed. Hamas rejected these terms. End of discussion.
We shouldnt abandon the Philidelphi Corridor and now that Hamas has rejected the ceasefire proposal that would have had us do that its a red line that we will not budge on again. They missed their opportunity. If youve noticed there have been very minimal rockets fired by Hamas and thats bc we control the corridor and have neutralized all of the tunnels into Egypt.
The fact of the matter is Gaza is done. The war is pretty much over there all we have to do is eliminate that rat Sinwar which here in Israel we all feel is going to happen on 10/7. Or Khamenei , or both. What happens next with Gaza is up in the air. We recognize that its unpopular for us to control the area with our own forces by ourselves. It probably is unpopular for the US to do it as well. If we can get a coalition of Saudi/Jordan maybe Egypt however a lot of questions regarding Egypts help of Hamas since all those tunnels were found that might work. But Gaza will be under military occupation for at least the next 10-15yrs minimum.
There might be some future where the Gazans go to Area A and B of the occupied (by Palis) WB(imperial name given to the region by Jordan) and Israel will have area C where Judea is return to Israel proper. Or all of Judea and Samaria will return to Israel including Gaza and the Palestinians in East Jru can stay but the rest will become Jordanian or Egyptian. The Jordanians are strongly opposed to this however but maybe they can get some autonomous area for themselves there.
Since the West's interest in Israel is centered around securing the supply of oil from the ME, it'll be quite out of line if they start blowing up tankers. I guess they would be Iranian tankers, but oil is fungible and limiting supply would hurt in a lot of places.
That's not really the West's interest in the ME.
Furthermore, Israel doesn't seem to care about American interests as expressed by our head of state. Biden is saying one thing, his principals are saying something different. Israel is just doing whatever it wants and it knows it has infiltrated our government sufficiently to give it cover. There has been no meaningful opposition to genocide and, presumably, there is nothing worse than that. Some might consider economic impacts as worse, but we've had no problem with inflationary spending on Ukraine and Israel so far. Some oil coming out of Iran isn't significant at all.
It just occurred to me that Obama's problem with Biden was very likely Biden's Israel policy. Obama was the guy who advised to sheer the sheep but don't skin them. Obama wanted a sustainable oppression. Biden has no flex or nuance and is just greenlighting every fascist impulse Israel has. I think Obama could see this coming and didn't want it, not because he didn't want the suffering to which he is indifferent. He didn't want to upset the apple cart. Now the apple cart is, at least, off balance.
Their methodology is absolute trash. If Gaza had evidence that 60k people have died of starvation there is 0% chance Hamas wouldn’t be using it as wartime propaganda.
They also quote the BS Lancet article, which I have argued is trash multiple times in this thread, because the methodology in that report is trash.
Their methodology is absolute trash. If Gaza had evidence that 60k people have died of starvation there is 0% chance Hamas wouldn’t be using it as wartime propaganda.
They also quote the BS Lancet article, which I have argued is trash multiple times in this thread, because the methodology in that report is trash.
they keep trying to claim that being a "medical professional" or a "journalist" increases your credibility, even when "journalists" were holding hostages and "medical professionals" were keeping weapons and ammos for Hamas.
I’ve deleted a bunch of posts in the thread regarding the usage of the word Holocaust to describe the ongoing conflict in Gaza.
The ruling for the thread is that it is not an appropriate analogy, and will not be allowed going forward. You can find other terminology that is not offensive to the Jewish people at large.
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carpet bombing Beirut suburbs now
Originally Posted by Luciom
There was almost no one in Gaza for centuries, it was barren land
I had missed this whopper.
Here are Gazan coins from 550 BCE
That's not really the West's interest in the ME.
Furthermore, Israel doesn't seem to care about American interests as expressed by our head of state. Biden is saying one thing, his principals are saying something different. Israel is just doing whatever it wants and it knows it has infiltrated our government sufficiently to give it cover. There has been no meaningful opposition to genocide and, presumably, there is nothing worse than that. Some might consider economic impacts as worse, but we've
I agree, the US has other interests in the ME besides oil, but that is probably still the biggest one.
Israel has definitely shown that they will act on their own as they see fit, but I think they are necessarily acting against US wishes or interests. It seems unlikely at this point that Biden is actually involved in strategy talks surrounding the ME. What seems more likely is Biden is out there giving talking points to help Kamala’s campaign, which would be to give the impression that the US is working towards some idealistic peace.
It seems likely, that behind the curtains, the US is supporting Israel because all of our interests are aligned with Israel being the dominant force in the ME.
I think you’re getting a bit out there thinking the government has been “infiltrated”, when the reality is Israel has been a long standing ally, and a pivotal military parter to the US in arguably one of the most important regions in the world. It’s not some big conspiracy that the US military and Israel have strong, mutually beneficial ties.
