Israel/Palestine thread
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here ya go budday
and really, according to the rules set out by the West, any building that Bibi or Biden set foot in is automatically a "military bunker" and I guess subject to a massive bombardment.
oh look just found another one
Who's gonna be lobbing missiles into NYC?
I think now would be a great time for Hamas to give back the hostages, and for Hamas and Hezbollah to stop attacking Israel. I think we can all agree their actions are yielding no positive results for anyone.
The notion that Hamas doesn’t fire on medical personnel for some moral reason might be the most insane thing posted itt. I missed the first 800 pages or so maybe not?
If the military objective is a tunnel system underneath an area, the whole area is a fully legitimate military target.
I have moral standards, it would be deeply immoral not to do absolutely everything you can at any cost to fully eradicate an enemy like that.
Any proposal that doesn't have that as the only goal is an immoral proposal
You will force the whining resort to 'our side is moral and theirs isn't' but it's not worth a hill of beans because both sides think they are morally justified. 'Whaa! but their not' both side will lament as they blow each other to bits.
Best we stick with what you consider immoral thanks.
Chezlaw: These two think that Israel might have let some of the missiles through as well.
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12 missiles is a full year's production? WTF?
If Israel does strikes that jack up gas prices in the U.S., that’s a pretty decent indicator that the U.S. has been honest in its (at least recent) public messaging and just incredibly inept rather than duplicitous.
If Israel does strikes that jack up gas prices in the U.S., that’s a pretty decent indicator that the U.S. has been honest in its (at least recent) public messaging and just incredibly inept rather than duplicitous.
A temporary spike in gas prices is a small price to pay to kick Iran when they’re down.
Iran has never been stronger and if they go to war with Israel their popularity will skyrocket. it will also require US intervention bc they will smoke Israel.
The notion that Hamas doesn’t fire on medical personnel for some moral reason might be the most insane thing posted itt. I missed the first 800 pages or so maybe not?
It's the sort of baiting we have complained about. But whatever.
Btw rooting for Iran, is a vibe. When you look deeply into what that regime stands for. It's truly a take.
BBC says 4 hospitals are out of commission from direct shelling in Lebanon. Lebanese source say 6 now.
anyone else remember when we spent weeks arguing on if Israel directly targeted hospitals in Gaza?
oh and looks like the main stream has take to calling it the Hezbollah run health ministry bc hey, if it works at dehumanizing then ofc our media class will adopt it.
I think now would be a great time for Hamas to give back the hostages, and for Hamas and Hezbollah to stop attacking Israel. I think we can all agree their actions are yielding no positive results for anyone.
so you want them to do the thing they promised on like Oct 9th and Israel rejected?
The notion that Hamas doesn’t fire on medical personnel for some moral reason might be the most insane thing posted itt. I missed the first 800 pages or so maybe not?
do you have evidence of them shooting at medivacs? they have made quite a few public statements saying they wont shoot at them and have acted accordingly as far as I could tell. I could dig them up if you care but I kinda think it will go like it always goes.
so you want them to do the thing they promised on like Oct 9th and Israel rejected?
do you have evidence of them shooting at medivacs? they have made quite a few public statements saying they wont shoot at them and have acted accordingly as far as I could tell. I could dig them up if you care but I kinda think it will go like it always goes.
The reason Hamas gives to gullible westerners is probably not the truth.
does the reason matter? they arent firing at medivacs. so...
I mean Israel, Hezbollah, Ukraine, Russia, RSF, USA, and UK are definitely firing at them. so...
That is why Iran and its proxies want a long low-intensity war, to bankrupt the West because Israel's defense is so expensive and the defensive munitions used are hard to replace. If Hezbollah, Iraq, Hamas etc. can force Israel to spend $10M/day (or whatever) defending itself with minimal casualties, that is perfect for them.
And that is why Israel is going for a shorter, more high intensity effort. Because they have to. Because they literally will go bankrupt and run out of defense munitions if they follow Iran's plan.
The clowns in this thread calling for "proportion" are literally calling for a dynamic that ensures Israel's destruction. I understand that many posters this is the end they prefer. But if it isn't, then you are just being a useful idiot for the enemy.
Israel should not accept its destruction because counter attacking will injur/kill too many enemy civilians. That is not a reasonable request.
Iran has never been stronger and if they go to war with Israel their popularity will skyrocket. it will also require US intervention bc they will smoke Israel.
On top of just being ignorant, the problem with this kind of thinking is that it just gets a bunch of people killed needlessly. A lot of the reason things are so bad is that because of bad propaganda like this, where the supporters of the Axis of Resistance (most who dont live in the firing lines) think their prospects are much brighter than they are. They think it is much more rational to fight Israel than it really is.
Iran's prospects aren't that bright but Israel and the USA have made it clear they will continue bombing them and killing their leaders and genociding their allies. They probably feel they have no choice at this stage.
But nothing I said is remotely wrong. Iran has more popularity and resources than they ever have before and popularity will only grow when Israel attacks them. Without a lot of US support Iran will "win" and regardless they will destroy Israel and the oil economy. Its the USA that needs to put a leash on Israel and end this bloodshed.
Iran's prospects aren't that bright but Israel and the USA have made it clear they will continue bombing them and killing their leaders and genociding their allies. They probably feel they have no choice at this stage.
But nothing I said is remotely wrong. Iran has more popularity and resources than they ever have before and popularity will only grow when Israel attacks them. Without a lot of US support Iran will "win" and regardless they will destroy Israel and the oil economy. Its the USA that
Iran is 10th on value (chart is of profit, kinda, value above production cost) of oil to gdp ratio and not that far behind Saudi Arabia. They're ahead of Venezuela. I don't think they want to destroy the oil economy.
That is why Iran and its proxies want a long low-intensity war, to bankrupt the West because Israel's defense is so expensive and the defensive munitions used are hard to replace. If Hezbollah, Iraq, Hamas etc. can force Israel to spend $10M/day (or whatever) defending itself with minimal casualties, that is perfect for them.
And that is why Israel is going for a shorter, more high intensity effort. Because they have to. Because they literally will go bankrupt and run out of defense munitions
This is a top post in this thread.
And if you're on the other side of this issue and you don't at least pause to consider it, then I think you need to question yourself a bit.
That is why Iran and its proxies want a long low-intensity war, to bankrupt the West because Israel's defense is so expensive and the defensive munitions used are hard to replace. If Hezbollah, Iraq, Hamas etc. can force Israel to spend $10M/day (or whatever) defending itself with minimal casualties, that is perfect for them.
And that is why Israel is going for a shorter, more high intensity effort. Because they have to. Because they literally will go bankrupt and run out of defense munitions
Wonder how much an S400 missile costs.
Of course it's not bankrupting the west. It's a very small percent of gdp. It's more like it's a giveaway to raytheon et al.
If anything, the West's economy is dependent on immense military spending.
That is why Iran and its proxies want a long low-intensity war, to bankrupt the West because Israel's defense is so expensive and the defensive munitions used are hard to replace. If Hezbollah, Iraq, Hamas etc. can force Israel to spend $10M/day (or whatever) defending itself with minimal casualties, that is perfect for them.
And that is why Israel is going for a shorter, more high intensity effort. Because they have to. Because they literally will go bankrupt and run out of defense munitions
People who believe in international law itt are clowns. Got it. The vast majority of the international community also clowns. Got it.
The country that is curb stomping everyone around them right now and has allies that have used probably less than one percent of their capacity in their defense is so in danger of destruction that any talk about civilian harm or proportionality is somehow antisemitic? Just a slightly clownishly psychotic take.
