Moderation Questions

I wasn't suggesting it was. I'm not even suggetsing that TD and I have the same moral views. I am saying that our morality is prior to the rest.

Personally I believe we should be aiming for a democracy with no welfare. I think we will probably fail horribly and instead lose democracy. Currently we need welfare.

Thank you for sharing!

So, what do you think now?

He has his opinions and some are extreme. So what? If he bothers somebody or offends somebody then they should just put him on ignore. I actually scroll past a lot of his postings because they tend to be long and I have ADD. People here seem to hate him yet they constantly engage him. He is more likely to say what is on his mind than the rest of you. I think people actually secretly like having a perceived villain in the forum. What would you say if you didn't think there would be consequences? What a person thinks of me or says to me doesn't bother me on an internet forum. I do respect the fact that it effects other people differently. I think people should be able to say what they want as long as there is not a realistic threat to another person.

I understand your anger. I respect your opinion. I disagree with the want to ban him or anybody for their opinion on something. If I thought there was a chance that he may become the next Hitler I would speak up. In this case it's just one persons view on how things should be dealt with. I'm also very big on less is more with regards to moderation. Notice this forum has run quite smoothly recently without the threat of timeouts or bans.

I mean, it's pretty much been happening since the US has been a country - from actual slaves, through the industrial revolution to potentially a 4 day work week! - but its happening too ****ing slow obv compared to places like Norway or even Alaska with their oil revenues.

But the owners of the machines still need their consumer demand or they aint **** themselves - so they'll have to avoid any possibility of economic disparity or civil unrest that collapses their own method of making money. They still need to maintain a society that can afford to consume what their machines produce. And societal pressure will continue press that issue and raise the bar. Or not, who the **** really knows.

To be clear, I've never suggested banning him or isolating him. I just think he's a Pos, which he obviously is. Id respect you more if you admitted that much.

I would guess that a large percentage of the Western world thinks of themselves the same way.

Large but dwindling, with younger people far less enamoured with democracy than their elders. Not surprising when the parties thrown up by democratic systems have converged around a conservative/liberal consensus that has failed to provide young people with affordable housing and non-toxic work environments.

In the 1960s everybody thought that, with automation, our only problem in the future would be how to spend our affluent leisure time. You may have noticed that it has not worked out like that.

This is nothing like then.

It's an even worse an arguement than climate has changed before so nothing to see here.

Maybe. I hope so.

But many will vote authoratarian if it promises a better economic situation for them. And as we saw in the UK brexit debate peoeple who who consider such matters as democracy, sovereignty etc are scoffed at (or worse) because what really matter is trade.

If you are to the left of Bernie Sanders it was probably deserved

Sanders the genocidal stooge of the genocidal Democrat party? that guy?

No, it's exactly the same. Automation will only 'increase leisure time' in the sense of increasing unemployment. That is, in economic terms, what automation is for. The amount of offset from jobs created in new-tech is debatable.

You hate Bernie now also?

These two things are far from mutually exclusive: (i) thinking that you are an enemy of non-democratic systems and immoral laws; and (ii) voting for authoritarian jackasses.

Correct

You might want to think about getting back into doge after it's latest fall. It's doubled from a year ago and it isn't going down.

I did wonder if that was your 'point' but it's only true in short time frames. Longer term rationalisation makes them close to mutually exclusive. I doubt commitment to democracy is near strong enough to make that break my way. I may be wrong, I hope so.

Not sure that I agree with you.

ya I mean, in general I tend to "hate", for lack of a better term, people who support the mass murder of children. I know its not pragmatic.

You haven't been paying attention if this is at all surprising.

trolly, you voted for genocide. you are the fascist.