RFK - Make America Healthy? again?

RFK - Make America Healthy? again?

I believe this guy is going to need his own thread.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/14...

A department spokesperson confirmed Louisiana Surgeon General Ralph Abraham had ordered his staff to stop engaging in media campaigns and community health fairs to encourage vaccinations, even as the state has experienced a surge in influenza.

well, duh

“Public health is really united on this issue: For more than a century, vaccines of all kinds have been a cornerstone of improving public health in America,” Avegno told the city council on Thursday. “There’s not scientific debate on this, this is as close as you can get to established fact that vaccinations, particularly mass vaccinations, and community immunity, saves millions and millions of lives.”

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14 February 2025 at 09:30 PM
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by weeeez k

you asked me to point out non UK source when you are the one equating that UK policy .
I'm not a covid expert, like you btw.

I do like however randomly pollute your day with random questions.

Would a pre covid WHO pandemic plan clearly saying that the general population doesn't need masks, and clearly pointing to almost no mandated DPIs (lockdowns and the like) being reasonable, even in case an airborne disease like the Spanish flu came back around, suffice to you to admit that there is no doubt whatsoever that the pre-covid overwhelming worldwide consensus was the opposite of what most countries did when COVID arrived?


by Luciom k

No pocket, it's "experts at x aren't experts at meta-x".

You guys pushed as "expert opinion" the opinion of people who weren't actually experts about how to gauge scientifical claims all the times and you keep doing it right now

And again with the pilot. Which has nothing to do with the topic.

Because piloting is a physical, analogical skill, while assessing data and causality is a purely digital skill, and it is perfectly portable across domains.

I am better than the vast majority of professionals

"I studied statistics, and medical science uses statistics, therefore I'm qualified to be evaluate medical science." I would've never guessed that statistics were the gateway to omniscience.


by Brian James k

I'm not dead AND NOT VACCINATED. How do you explain that genius? None of the other unvaccinated people I know are dead either.

Man, he's got you with this impeccably laid out logical argument!



by pocket_zeros k

"I studied statistics, and medical science uses statistics, therefore I'm qualified to be evaluate medical science." I would've never guessed that statistics were the gateway to omniscience.

Well now you know it.

Statistics is the language of science, you cannot comprehend science without a solid basis in it, and you can comprehend all science with a solid basis in it (and enough time to dedicate to the discipline toh are interested into).

Yes if you know statistics and spend time reading papers you can evaluate the validity of any medical causal claim, almost always better than generic physicians who aren't specific experts about that medical niche itself.


Pocket0 why do you think that a car mechanic would be qualified more than say a data scientist in a non automotive field to assess the claims in a paper about sulfur emissions by car engines?

Because that's what we are talking about here.


by Gorgonian k

Man, he's got you with this impeccably laid out logical argument!

Well, according to him we should be dead. I can categorically confirm that I am not dead. Therefore I win.

Easy game.


by Brian James k

Well, according to him we should be dead. I can categorically refute that I am not dead. Therefore I win.

Easy game.

Brian just to understand, do you think people would be right to consider smoking unharmful unless they personally know a heavy smoker who died of lung or throat cancer?

Because that is what you are doing here.


by Brian James k

Well, according to him we should be dead. I can categorically confirm that I am not dead. Therefore I win.

Easy game.

I know I definitely saw where he said that and you definitely didn't just completely make that up!



by Luciom k

Brian just to understand, do you think people would be right to consider smoking unharmful unless they personally know a heavy smoker who died of lung or throat cancer?

Because that is what you are doing here.

No. that's not what I am doing. I'm specifically responding to Mr Dildo McDavitt who says I should be dead. That's all.


by Brian James k

No. that's not what I am doing. I'm specifically responding to Mr Dildo McDavitt who says I should be dead. That's all.

You know what would really drive the nail in that coffin? You should quote where he said that! That will show him real good!


by Brian James k

No. that's not what I am doing. I'm specifically responding to Mr Dildo McDavitt who says I should be dead. That's all.

Oh well that guy is an easy pick I admit.


by Gorgonian k

You know what would really drive the nail in that coffin? You should quote where he said that! That will show him real good!

You should show where anyone asked for your opinion.


by Brian James k

You should show where anyone asked for your opinion.

Ok, man. I just really wanted to help you make your point! You looked like you might have had it wrapped up really good, but then I went back and checked and couldn't find where anyone said you should be dead. I must have just missed it.

But surely not since your entire point hinges on it. I know you wouldn't have just made something like that up, right?


by Gorgonian k

Ok, man. I just really wanted to help you make your point! You looked like you might have had it wrapped up really good, but then I went back and checked and couldn't find where anyone said you should be dead. I must have just missed it.

But surely not since your entire point hinges on it. I know you wouldn't have just made something like that up, right?

David Williams has been saying repeatedly that he is happy republicans didnt take the vax because so they die in droves and society gets better.

BJ just answers that saying well I am not dead actually.


by biggerboat k

You know what, that's fine. I don't have any issue with this at all. But stop pulling up bs "studies" to try to justify your decision to everyone else. It's almost like you think you were wrong somehow and you make up a bunch of crap to prove to yourself that you weren't.

I honestly don't think anyone here cares that you made a personal decision for the reason you state.

I can assure you I don't think I was wrong. The evidence I have seen since I made that decision has been overwhelming confirmation that It was the correct decision.

It's probably one of the most justified decisions I have ever made in my life and it's not even close.

Which bs study are you referring to by the way? ( and why is it bs?)


by Luciom k

David Williams has been saying repeatedly that he is happy republicans didnt take the vax because so they die in droves and society gets better.

BJ just answers that saying well I am not dead actually.

Exactly.


by Brian James k

The evidence I have seen since I made that decision has been overwhelming confirmation that It was the correct decision.

Yeah guys, you know that evidence he found on twitter and substack. Maybe he can find evidence of his claim that he was told he should be dead there, too.

Stay tuned!


by Brian James k

You should show where anyone asked for your opinion.

Please quote where MrDavitWilliam said, “If one is not vaccinated, they should be dead” or the equivalent. Otherwise retract your assertion.

FYI MrDavitWilliam fully acknowledges your right to refuse any and all vaccines and more importantly, to do your own research on what medical treatments will be best for you. In fact, MrDavitWilliam strongly encourages you and yours to do just that.

Another FYI, your dumb ass is on ignore, so I’m only gonna see your response if I’m logged out. Don’t get vaccinated. Or wear a seatbelt. Do you know how many people die not because of the car wreck but because they were either trapped by the seatbelt or strangled by it? It’s not zero, but the media never tells you that!!!!


by Brian James k

Exactly.

So your claim is that since you aren't dead, anti-vax republicans couldn't have died in droves? And you (and apparently Luciom - stop quoting him so I never have to see his idiot posts again please) think that is sound logic?

Really?

I had such high hopes for your zinger man? You're telling me it was based on your inability to read?


by Gorgonian k

So your claim is that since you aren't dead, anti-vax republicans couldn't have died in droves? And you (and apparently Luciom - stop quoting him so I never have to see his idiot posts again please) think that is sound logic?

Really?

I had such high hopes for your zinger man? You're telling me it was based on your inability to read?

Speaking of an inability to read.

I didn't say it was just me dip ****.


by Brian James k

I can assure you I don't think I was wrong. The evidence I have seen since I made that decision has been overwhelming confirmation that It was the correct decision.

It's probably one of the most justified decisions I have ever made in my life and it's not even close.

Which bs study are you referring to by the way? ( and why is it bs?)

I think there is abundance of evidence *by center right/apolitical sources* *and by people who never ever suggested the COVID vaccine should have been mandated* (ie, trustable sources) that infection+ one dose or two doses is useful for at risk people. And basically irrelevant for not-at-risk people.

I don't know your age or if you are overweight/obese and/or have other comorbodities who wpuld make COVID very bad for you with higher probability so I can't say if you made a mistake by not vaccinating.

But anyway unless you are 70+ and comorbid it was a small mistake which we shouldn't waste too much time about.

I am sad though you believe your sources are trustworthy if they claim those vaccines were super dangerous in terms of aide effects and/or ineffectual at protecting against severe consequences for COVID.

Because those claims are provenly false


by Brian James k

I didn't say it was just me dip ****.

Oh but you did. You specifically said you're not dead and not vaccinated.

Sure you added other people, but that could be any number of people and is just as irrelevant and stupid. Surely you don't think that makes your argument even slightly better? I know you're smarter than that. I mean, you just have to be. You have to be able to send signals to your hands and mouth to feed yourself.

Wait, are you tube fed?


by Brian James k

There are literally millions of undead unvaccinated people.

That's crazy! Zombies! See they should've gotten vaccinated!!

Great point!


The great undead.


by MrDavitWilliam k

Another FYI, your dumb ass is on ignore,

Thank God for small mercies.

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