LeBron > Jordan GOAT Super AIDS Containment, solved #22999 post by Matt R. (addendum #23174)
Very impressed with the minute sequence where LeBron clearly lost the ball headed to the rim, heat got the ball anyway and scored, then he elbows his defender in the chin, drawing a defensive foul and stern talking to from the official and hitting a 3.
It's these ref assisted 5 point swings in close games that truly bring out the best in great players.
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The thread that will go on for years..........
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You got it .. Nothing last year, and nothing in this year's NBA Cup, and no Finals victory for them this year either.. Book it
High-scoring ball-dominators like SGA cannot win titles without exorbitant help, such as teaming up with multiple opposing franchise players, and they can never be the leading scorer for the best basketball no matter what they do (dynasties or dominant champions).
The Nuggets or OKC will come out of the West, or we know that Memphis has slowly developed into an organic juggernaut, so maybe it's their year.. But any of these teams will fall to the Eastern conference winner, especially OKC - they're the weakest on the championship level, similar to Luka last year or Lebron's Finals career (22-33).
Just dropping in for a wellness check, fallguy, how are things? What do you think you've accomplished with your last 100 or so posts? How are you dealing with your, um, feelings?
I know it gets confusing because LeBron has played every position on the floor, but he has only been a point guard a minority of his career.
I toss it around in my head constantly - are MJ fans trolling or are they just really stupid? You can argue it both ways, I think.
I know it gets confusing because LeBron has played every position on the floor, but he has only been a point guard a minority of his career.
I toss it around in my head constantly - are MJ fans trolling or are they just really stupid? You can argue it both ways, I think.
Lebron has been the primary ballhandler for every team that he's had, and this is reflected in the way he scores, which is mostly unassisted by teammates - only point guards score mostly unassisted, which means low assisted rates that are consistently in the 20's and 30's and average below 40%.
Secondly, the eye test confirms that Lebron can't score 36k as the roll man like Karl Malone, while his jumphook is nothing, so he's no Tim Duncan... He lacks a power forward skillset, which entails a jumphook, deft midrange touch, and the automatic-ness of a true big man down low - these things are usually assisted by teammates (high-assisted rates), which contrasts with Lebron's mostly unassisted buckets and low assisted rates like all point guards.. If Lebron had a highly-assisted big man skillset, he would've fit like a glove with Westbrook and other ball-handlers - he would've put on his "karl malone hat" and fit perfectly with Westbrook, Hughes, Ingram, Wade, and other ball-handlers instead of having lottery fits, goat chokes and cratering their stats.
Finally, Magic and Bird were equal or better "scorer-passer-rebounders" than Lebron, and Jordan already overtook them convincingly, so he defeated that argument already.. The things that people praise Lebron for simply aren't goat-level achievements, such as "he can guard PF's" argument because role players can too - I prefer John Salley defending PF's over Lebron.. Of course, the quality of defense matters too, and Lebron hasn't been all-defense in his 30's and over 10 years... It's obvious that an all-time great defender like Jordan that also guards multiple positions (1-3) is more valuable than a bad defender that is versatile like Lebron.. I would argue that bad to average defenders cannot be "versatile" because their low quality of defense makes them pretty replaceable on that end of the floor.
Fallguy killing it as usual. LBJ has had an awesome career putting up individual stats. His longevity is amazing and will probably never be replicated. He is the greatest stat amasser in NBA history. Credit where credit is due. On the other hand, MJ is the GOAT team player AINEFC. 6-0 doesn't lie.
You got it .. Nothing last year, and nothing in this year's NBA Cup, and no Finals victory for them this year either.. Book it
High-scoring ball-dominators like SGA cannot win titles without exorbitant help, such as teaming up with multiple opposing franchise players, and they can never be the leading scorer for the best basketball no matter what they do (dynasties or dominant champions).
The Nuggets or OKC will come out of the West, or we know that Memphis has slowly developed into an organic jug
Got it.
Who are the east teams that are team ball o favorites?
Boston - we know they’re an organic juggernaut because they repeatedly choked in the playoffs until they traded for two all star level players in one year.
NY - another organically grown team that traded for two all stars this year.
Cleveland- same core for 3 years. Organic!
Got it.
Who are the east teams that are team ball o favorites?
Boston - we know they’re an organic juggernaut because they repeatedly choked in the playoffs until they traded for two all star level players in one year.
NY - another organically grown team that traded for two all stars this year.
Cleveland- same core for 3 years. Organic!
The term "organic" refers to the context of an all-time great going to a weak or lottery team and building that team into a contender or champion... This process requires developing a team identity and style, which is typically fueled by a chemistry between 1 to 3 key players.. This team identity makes it easy for GM's to find perfect acquisitions that fit the vision and identity of the team, such as adding Porzingas/Jrue to Tatum/Brown... These acquisitions seem to meet expectation because they aren't being reduced to spot-up shooter like the coveted acquisitions that Lebron enjoyed (Hughes, Westbrook, Jamison, Bosh, Love, Rose, IT, etc)..
lol 21 straight posts by FG. And for those non-mods it should be known there was another 15 deleted posts. That's 36 straight posts by FG.
4 more and he would have made the critical 40 mark that you need to be a dominate poster
lol again.
People should be aware that Ernest "Randy" Mims is Lebron's best friend, but Mims isn't a pro athlete - he's just a regular dude, so he can just go to a regular doctor for testosterone and weight loss treatment... The only reason that a regular dude would go through the black market is because it's for a pro athlete that needs to hide it.
In 2013, the DEA observed Lebron's best friend (Mims) meeting and receiving numerous PED's from Biogenesis co-founder Carlos Acevedo, and this meeting was brokered by Lebron's long-time trainer David Alexander.
These 2 associates of Lebron (his bestie and his trainer) purchased testosterone and various PED's, along with a blood draw.. Why would all this be necessary for a regular guy like Mims that can just go to a regular doctor for the weight loss treatment that he claimed??.. Accordingly, the testosterone and other PED's were for a pro athlete that needed to hide it.. And since they were purchased by 2 guys that were associated with Lebron (his trainer and his bestie), we can conclude that the roids were for Lebron.
it's also notable that when Lebron's trainer and bestie bought roids from Carlos Acevedo, Carlos was "running his own performance-enhancing drug operation and no longer had any connection to Bosch, the Biogenesis mastermind", according to ESPN - so he was literally running the "new juice" clinic that KG referenced... Btw, Lebron's wife co-owned a juice bar with Lebron's trainer David Alexander (who was brokering the drug deals between the bestie Mims and Biogenesis/Carlos Acevedo).. See the entire article
.. No one knew the DEA even conducted this investigation until 10 years after it happened in 2013, so it was a cover-up from the beginning.. The feds also never talked to Mims or Alexander (Lebron's bestie and trainer) - they only talked to Carlos Acevedo (the Biogenesis co-founder), who told them the story about Mims buying the roids for weight loss.
So there's tons of evidence that Lebron is the Lance Armstrong of the NBA, such as the aforementioned intuitive logic (that a regular guy can go to a regular doctor, so the black market purchases were for a pro athlete that needed to hide it) coupled with the photographic evidence of Lebron's bird leg calves turning into tree trunks (everyone else's bird leg calves remain bird legs like MJ, Kobe, TMac etc - only Lebron went from bird calves to karl malone tree trunk).
fallguy, interesting that you're bringing up the possibility of corruption in law enforcement - have you also been a victim of the corrupt system?
Teams that win their first title and then repeat as champions are typically extremely hungry to repeat and have more confidence/swagger, so they have an even better regular season during the repeat year - it's usually an amazing banner year, but that's not what we see from these Celtics... We see a clear letdown like all the 1-time winners - they're content and won't win this year, so I'm coming off that prediction.. And with OKC out, it's down to Denver or Cleveland..
I could see NY coming out of the East too and this type of parity environment is where Jordan would win every year.. Jordan plus anyone wins in a 2-star vs 2-star format and parity...
Of course the opponents that Jordan faced during the 1st three-peat had 3x all-stars at 3rd option like Nance, Aguirre, Majerle, and Buck Williams/Duckworth, while the 2nd three-peat opponents had All-NBA 3rd options like Mashburn, Schrempf and Mason... So the Bulls were always at a talent deficit and therefore required goat production rate from Jordan, aka PPG, PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP, etc
Directly from :
The surveillance of Mims (lebron's bestie), Alexander (lebron's trainer) and Acevedo (kingpin of drug lab) occurred on a muggy, cloudy May afternoon in 2013, when an eight-member DEA surveillance team took turns tailing Acevedo as he drove a white Honda Accord through the streets of Miami.
Acevedo, identified as wearing a red sleeveless shirt and white ball cap, and the owners of the Acura and the Jeep -- Alexander and Mims, respectively -- talked in front of the gym before the dealer drove away.
According to documents, Acevedo said he supplied Alexander with substances in 2013.. He told authorities of having provided testosterone, peptides, HCG and metabolism-boosting injections for approximately 35 days.. Later, he told of supplying Alexander with peptides, HCG and metabolism-boosting injections for upward of four months.
He did not supply him with testosterone the second time, Acevedo told authorities, because Alexander was receiving testosterone from the Miami anti-aging facility.
As to why authorities never ultimately pursued Alexander, Stanfill, the former DEA agent, said he was seen as "a little bit too small of a fish, so nothing much came from that."
^^^ Even though Alexander (bron's trainer) was on surveillance meeting Acevedo (drug kingpin), and even though Acevedo told the DEA about extensive drug transactions with Alexander, and even though the DEA concedes that Alexander is at least a "small fish" in the roid' distribution game (bolded and underlined above), Alexander denied knowing Acevedo entirely and acted like a guilty person (below):
ESPN first interviewed Alexander in 2017 about Acevedo, then again in recent months.. During an initial meeting at DBC Fitness, a Miami gym he now owns, he appeared to be stunned upon hearing his name associated with Carlos Acevedo, saying, "I don't know who that is. I have no recollection. ... The idea my name is in this is crazy."
Pressed further, Alexander abruptly ended the interview, demanding a reporter turn off a recording device and not use any notes from the interview. A few hours later, Alexander called the reporter, apologizing for cutting the interview short and pledging to research who Acevedo was and how he might know him.
When approached this past fall, Alexander remained equally perplexed, saying, "I don't know who that is. I've never had a conversation with any law enforcement pertaining to that gentleman [Acevedo] or pertaining to anything related to Biogenesis. ... I just want to make sure we're clear that I have zero affiliation with Biogenesis."
Alexander again said he would get to the bottom of it, saying, "I have some DEA in my family or in my friend line. I can ask them if they know anything about it."
He added: "Listen, I think what it sounds like, if I'm guessing -- it sounds like maybe this person you're speaking of was around or came by a gym. As you know, most gyms frequent about 100 to 200 people a day. So, like I said, I have no idea about this."
Alexander said no one other than ESPN had ever asked about his name appearing in the federal documents.. He made mention of his well-respected biomechanics facility and wondered whether his name might have been dropped in a bid to smear his reputation. He said: "I definitely have a lot of fans, but I also have a lot of enemies and people that would love to see my business go south. ... I've been able to build a very successful business doing business the right way and abiding by the law and doing all those things."
He asked to be provided copies of the documents in which his name appeared. Then he called later to say he didn't want them.
^^^ Notice how the feds never contacted Alexander (trainer) or Mims (bestie) because even though they conceded that Alexander was a "small fish", they were only interested in the big fish, which they already had with Acevedo... So they simply believed Acevedo's story that the roids were for Mims' weight loss and never contacted Mims or Alexander to investigate that claim... Essentially, Lebron was smart enough to not make the purchase directly and therefore get named in the investigation like A-Rod and others - Acevedo couldn't cover for A-Rod and athletes that made the purchases directly, but he easily fooled the DEA regarding associates that made the purchases, such as the ridiculous story about Mims weight loss... Again, any normal person like Mims would go to a normal doctor - only a pro athlete would need to access the black market.
So the media coverage of this story simply lies by saying there's "no indication" that Alexander supplied the roids to athletes - the DEA literally said that Alexander was a "small fish" in the PED game... So that's proof that the media is covering for Lebron - i.e. the DEA said that Alexander was a small fish - he was a trainer of pro athletes that was receiving tons of PED's from the biggest-ever supplier to pro athletes, yet the media lies and says there's "no indication"... Ultimately, just because they don't have the actual video of Alexander and Mims handing the package to Savannah at the juice bar that they all own together doesn't mean it didn't happen and isn't the most likely destination for those drugs, or other drugs to other athletes - Alexander was getting this stuff consistently from Acevedo for "upwards of 4 months" (that they know about) - that's a long time to get many cycles and years worth of drugs.
I think most people would agree that there is like a 90% chance Lebron is on some kind of gear.
I think he's also Angry Old Hoops Fan on YouTube.
I think most people would agree that there is like a 90% chance Lebron is on some kind of gear.
From the DEA documents regarding Alex Rodriguez:
* Acknowledged lying to New York Yankees president Randy Levine when he called in November 2012 -- about a month before the Biogenesis scandal erupted -- to ask whether A-Rod "knew anything about Bosch." A-Rod responded that he didn't have "any relationship with Bosch."
^^^ A-Rod dealt directly with Bosch, while Lebron was smart enough to send his cronies instead of dealing directly with Bosch/Acevedo, so the cronies were named in the DEA investigation along with A-Rod, and not Lebron.. The cronies being the bestie (Mims) and trainer (Alexander).
Alexander's claim that he didn't know Acevedo/Bosch is similar to A-Rod's denial above, even though Alexander was surveilled doing transactions with Acevedo - so it's a clear-cut lie and therefore evidence of a cover-up for Lebron.. And again, Alexander and Mims (bron's bestie) were surveilled meeting with Acevedo, so the roids were for Lebron - Lebron is a pro athlete that needs the black market, while Mims could easily go to a regular doctor... And Acevedo was trailed by the DEA to Mims' house on another occasion - so the DEA's investigation of a drug kingpin and his clients led to Lebron's bestie on numerous occasions.
The media aids in this cover-up by saying there was no indication that Alexander was distributing the roids to athletes - this is preposterous, since Alexander's profession is to train pro athletes and he purchased PED's from the largest supplier to athletes that ever existed.. It's like getting caught red-handed and still denying it... Again, the media simply covers for Lebron.. They feel sorry for him or something.
FG spending 100,000 posts talking about having a greater than 40% assist rate and then picking Cleveland and Knicks as two of his top three teams is so amazing.
FG spending 100,000 posts talking about having a greater than 40% assist rate and then picking Cleveland and Knicks as two of his top three teams is so amazing.
Mitchell and Garland are at 40% and 45%, respectively, which is the best available - slim pickings this year and in general because today's game is a bunch of ball-dominators... Accordingly, I'm forced to pick the most experienced, skilled/crafty and diverse ball-handlers, which is definitely Cleveland, so I have them in the mix like most people.
Since today's game is a bunch of ball-dominators, I'm sure there will finally be another high-scoring ball-dominator that wins in addition to 06' Wade (1st mover, so no one knew how to guard it), and Lebron (collusion with opposing franchise players).. Accordingly, we know that high-scoring ball-dominators CAN win, but it's just a lot harder due to the ball movement/team assist issue, which is why I sort by the assisted rate of the top scorer (the biggest impact on team assists) - this puts the order as Jokic, Tatum, Donovan Mitchell.. NY also has a highly-assisted 1b in KAT, who fits well with Brunson's skillset.
There's a growing and robust ecosystem of anti-fraud channels like Angry ol Hoops - he's great for comedy and insight into the weak psyche of Lebron, along with "Sports n Fitness Rants", while "Uncut Hoops" is my go-to for exposing the MJ-Lebron fake debate, or "Skap Attack" of course, who recently destroyed Gilbert Arenas in the Kobe-Lebron debate here.. "Self researched facts" is also insightful, and there are hundreds more.
Mitchell and Garland are at 40% and 45%, respectively, which is the best available - slim pickings this year and in general because today's game is a bunch of ball-dominators... Accordingly, I'm forced to pick the most experienced, skilled/crafty and diverse ball-handlers, which is definitely Cleveland, so I have them in the mix like most people.
Since today's game is a bunch of ball-dominators, I'm sure there will finally be another high-scoring ball-dominator that wins in addition to 06' Wade (
Mitchell is under 40% and is the number one option
Brunson is under 40% and is the number one option
What you are proving is that you don't even believe in your theory.
It's over.
Mitchell is under 40% and is the number one option
Brunson is under 40% and is the number one option
What you are proving is that you don't even believe in your theory.
It's over.
The 40% cutoff applies to the best basketball (dynasties and dominant champions), and it's actually more like 46%.
Otoh, regular champions have had a few low-assisted 1st options, but it's quite rare and requires exorbitant circumstance and help, due in part to the team assist issue - i.e. championship teams are generally higher-assist teams, but high-scoring ball-dominators lower everyone's assists and produce lower assist teams (suboptimal basketball), thus making it harder for them to win titles. And Mitchell is at
btw
He was under 40% yesterday when I posted.
But you're right. They can be a dominate Champion now, where as yesterday they couldn't be.
He was under 40% yesterday when I posted.
But you're right. They can be a dominate Champion now, where as yesterday they couldn't be.
40% is the cutoff that differentiates primary ball-handlers from other skillsets like jumpshooters or bigs - i.e. everyone with a career average below 40% is a primary ball-handler, and that's the skillset that cannot be 1st option for the best basketball (dynasty or dominant champion).. And again, the nice sample size of 12 dynasties or dominant champions shows that ball-dominators were the leading scorer 0 of 12 times (0%).
Secondly, the cut-off is actually 46%, since that's the lowest assisted rate for a dominant championship run (Tatum or Duncan), while Curry appears to have the lowest career assisted rate for the dynasties (48%).
Again, the issue is that high-scoring ball-dominators have a bunch of unassisted buckets that reduces teammates' assists while increasing their assisted rate and spot up role... By turning everyone into spot-up shooter, elite roster construction is impossible for high-scoring ball-dominators, so they cannot be 1st option for the best basketball (dynasties and dominant champions)... Since ball-dominators cannot produce the best basketball, they're inferior to the best of other skillsets that can (bigs & jumpshooters), which puts Lebron outside the top 10 all-time.
05' HUGHES.................. 21.6 PER... 0.157 WS/48... 3.7 VORP... 4.3 BPM... 22/6/5.... 1st Team All-D
90' PIPPEN.................... 16.3 PER... 0.087 WS/48... 3.0 VORP... 1.8 BPM... 16/6/5.... No All-D
Lebron needed 3 seasons to make the playoffs, so his first playoff teams in 06' and 07' were veteran high seeds that included the reigning East all-star center and an acquisition that was better than 1990 Pippen on both sides of the ball (above), along with higher-ranked defenses than the 1st three-peat Bulls - MJ would easily 3-peat with all that help, so Lebron's 1 Finals appearance is hardly "floor-raising" by comparison.
Furthermore, the 07' Spurs showed that the East was so weak that a 22 on 35% player won it (and 6 TO's).. The conference was so weak that Lebron, Iverson, Kidd and Dwight won it with 25 ppg or less for the Eastern Playoffs - MJ never averaged less than 27 in any series and 25 would certainly result in the 91-98' Bulls having an early exit from the playoffs each year.
40% is the cutoff that differentiates primary ball-handlers from other skillsets like jumpshooters or bigs - i.e. everyone with a career average below 40% is a primary ball-handler, and that's the skillset that cannot be 1st option for the best basketball (dynasty or dominant champion).. And again, the nice sample size of 12 dynasties or dominant champions shows that ball-dominators were the leading scorer 0 of 12 times (0%).
I know right. As I was watching the Cavs getting dismantled by the 16-26 76ers I could see them transforming from a team that had no chance of being a dynasty or dominate champion to a team that had a chance.
I mean most people couldn't see it. But you and me can see it when we watched the game. Well... I mean I could... not you... because you don't watch basketball... but you felt it right???
