Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Googling around and I don't see anything indicating "ghoul" is, necessarily, an antisemitic word. I do, however, see roughly infinite examples in which the word is used within no related context to any ethnic or religious group.
Here's an article detailing actor Walton Goggins playing a character called "The Ghoul". I'm guessing the casting people saw the actor known for playing a country criminal (Justified) and Civil War-era slave plantation overseers (Django Unchained) and said, wow, THIS guy just has to be our Jewish stereotype character! https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/fallout-wal...
(nevermind that, of course, the character itself appears to have nothing to do with Zionism or Jewishness)
[QUOTE=rafiki;58496152]Show your work?/quote]
I've already educated you (thanklessly) on the connotations of the word "ghoul". Tell me that you understand that you are wrong and I am right, then apologize.
There's no version of the word ghoul that's remotely ok to associate with people who are supportive of the existence of the (only) Jewish homeland. I'm sorry man.
Did I say that? Presumably many Israelis are not Zionists.
Reactionaries continue to wage their unholy war with language...
Just choose better language, you'll be met with better discourse.
There's no version of the word ghoul that's remotely ok to associate with people who are supportive of the existence of the (only) Jewish homeland. I'm sorry man.
I'm broadly supportive of the existence of a Jewish homeland. I'm completely cool with a state of Israel as long as it allows for a Palestinian state, doesn't function as a complete ethnostate (I'm broadly opposed to Muslim ethnostates as well) and doesn't oppress and murder its neighbors in general. Yet somehow, I don't call myself a ghoul. This, of course, completely refutes the complete nonsense you're babbling about.
Should we add basic logic to the list of things with which you struggle mightily?
Show your work?
Because we've had many many Arab civilian death tolls way above 100k per country in the last 10 years. I would love to see where the "Arab Ghouls" comments were from you, or anyone else. Yemen just lost almost 400k in the time we've been arguing in here. if I go searching for your takes on Syria, I'll be curious to see what I find.
"Arabness" was not the ideology that caused those deaths. Arabness is not even an ideology. Nor is their anything innate to Arabs that caused those deaths.
On the other hand, Zionism, as Illan Pappe among others, has explained extensively and methodically, is based on ethnic cleansing.
I'm broadly supportive of the existence of a Jewish homeland. I'm completely cool with a state of Israel as long as it allows for a Palestinian state, doesn't function as a complete ethnostate (I'm opposed to Muslim ethnostates as well) and doesn't oppress and murder its neighbors in general. Yet somehow, I don't call myself a ghoul. This, of course, completely refutes the c
You're going to find that if you're broadly supportive of a Jewish Homeland, you're not going to want to start a dialogue with Israelis or Jews by leading with "hello Zionist Ghouls".
You can lead with almost anything else, and get better results.
"Arabness" was not the ideology that caused those deaths. Arabness is not even an ideology. Nor is their anything innate to Arabs that caused those deaths.
On the other hand, Zionism, as Illan Pappe among others, has explained extensively and methodically, is based on ethnic cleansing.
Interestingly enough, "Arabness" is actually almost always the cause of those mass deaths. They just have different terms than that. You should know them, by now.
Ya I know. Something like 90% support the mass murder. I consider that ghoulish. But that's not everyone.
you wouldn't know anything about language or quality discourse even if Noam Chomsky smacked you in the head with one of his linguistics books
I know well enough to not lead with "my ghoulish comrades" when talking to someone. That much, I do know.
Ya I know. Something like 90% support the mass murder. I consider that ghoulish. But that's not everyone.
So you believe 90% of Israelis to be...ghouls?
Interestingly enough, "Arabness" is actually almost always the cause of those mass deaths. They just have different terms than that. You should know them, by now.
Well ya no **** you think this way. It's called racism.
I don't think you understood my post. I also don't think you understood what specific factors did lead to those deaths that I'm inferring...
Thinking cap Victor. What part of Islam am I talking about...
Because in this analogy, it fits your point perfectly. Why do the Muslims often kill each other en masse?
I know well enough to not lead with "my ghoulish comrades" when talking to someone. That much, I do know.
huh
add "comrades" to the list of words that confound rafiki
Allow me to assure you that I am not a comrade of Zionists. Do you think that all of the people calling for a two-state solution are Zionists or their allies? Well, no, there are many anti-Zionists that would accept the existence of a nation of Israel under certain conditions (e.g., them no longer committing genocide on Palestinians), such as yours truly.
Zionism is a nationalist movement devoted to the expansion of its borders and powers to the exclusion of other nations in the area. I oppose all nationalism.
I know this is aimed at Victor, but I'll tell you that I believe at least 80% of Americans are ghouls, or at least people that routinely believe and act in a ghoulish manner. And guess what, the significant majority of them aren't Jewish!
Read a book sometime. That might help you become a bit less scared of language.
huhadd "comrades" to the list of words that confound rafikiAllow me to assure you that I am not a comrade of Zionists. Do you think that all of the people calling for a two-state solution are Zionists or their allies? Well, no, there are many anti-Zionists that would accept the existence of a nation of Israel under certain conditions (e.g., them no longer committing genocide
That is YOUR definition.
I know this is aimed at Victor, but I'll tell you that I believe at least 80% of Americans are ghouls, or at least people that routinely believe and act in a ghoulish manner. And guess what, the significant majority of them aren't Jewish!
Read a book sometime. That might help you become a bit less scared of language.
That's pretty bleak. You must be great at parties.
Zionist ghouls screeching incoherently with their weird-ass anime avatars -- the classic King of Parties. Look at Chad Rafiki over here 😆
anyway, you have been dealt an obvious L, so please shut the hell up and try to learn something for once before popping off again
Hi Karl Marx, are you trying as hard as possible to convince people radical leftism deserves to be treated as terrorism inherently?
Thanks for the help it has been a while for me asking to do that, all help is appreciated
