Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Gentiles opposing genocide =/= supporting a caliphate just as being Jewish =/= supporting genocideWe should all agree on thisHell, I've said itt that I oppose a ceasefire and maybe have said that I oppose two states. What I oppose is leaving Hamas in power and perpetual apartheid.Leaving Hamas in power is insane, but what Israel has done over the last six months (and 60 years)
Israel can't determine who is in power in Gaza and bombing them until Hamas doesn't exist cannot be done without killing 100k+ people and probably 200k or 300k+. Your conditions leave no possible solution.
There are things Israel could have done that involved violence that were not going to kill a massive number of innocents and targeted some Hamas leadership. That's not what happened obviously. But that still can't eliminate Hamas. And anything following Hamas? Is what?
No. Israel and the international community have to deal with who is in front of them and not try (and certainly fail) to impose a government on Gaza.
If there are ever settlement negotiations between Palestinians and Israelis, what if Palestinians say "no, there has to be an entirely new Israeli government. We can't even negotiate with a government that has done this"?
Israel can't determine who is in power in Gaza and bombing them until Hamas doesn't exist cannot be done without killing 100k+ people and probably 200k or 300k+. Your conditions leave no possible solution.There are things Israel could have done that involved violence that were not going to kill a massive number of innocents and targeted some Hamas leadership. That's not what
We agree that the genocide of Gaza is unacceptable, but is there no aggressive response to 10/7 that is acceptable by the IDF? Are you opposed to the extrajudicial assassinations of Hamas operatives? Or just a general ground invasion to eliminate Hamas?
If there are ever settlement negotiations between Palestinians and Israelis, what if Palestinians say "no, there has to be an entirely new Israeli government. We can't even negotiate with a government that has done this"?
There will never be adequate settlement negotiations toward two states. The status quo is too extreme.
We agree that the genocide of Gaza is unacceptable, but is there no aggressive response to 10/7 that is acceptable by the IDF? Are you opposed to the extrajudicial assassinations of Hamas operatives? Or just a general ground invasion to eliminate Hamas?
Assassinations of leadership is the least unacceptable violence. They are the people most responsible.
Everyone relax, this latest generation of higher learning have everything under control.
If there are ever settlement negotiations between Palestinians and Israelis, what if Palestinians say "no, there has to be an entirely new Israeli government. We can't even negotiate with a government that has done this"?
Same thing that would have happened in WW2 if the Japanese had demanded the United States needed a new government before they would negotiate or the French had demanded it from Germany. They will get told to pound sand. Losers in military conflict are in no position to make demands. Either they keep fighting or they surrender.
Survival of the fittest, Holmes.
The gulag was part reeducation, part your-reeducation-isn't-a-priority-so-conform. They saw beyond the horizon a spector of post-truth advocacy in this precious freeze peach of ours.(see Alex Jones, Q-anon, etc.)
When's the last time some dissident freeze peach turned you on? Reap, America.
Honestly between the "bodies in the same place" move and this one, this thread has been quality laughs today. And after some stressful days in here, maybe we all needed the levity.
I question the credibility and character of someone who finds “quality laughs” and levity in any of this.
You have to negotiate with leaders. Often horrible ones.
Assassinating the leaders of other sides generally makes things much worse.
Israel can't determine who is in power in Gaza and bombing them until Hamas doesn't exist cannot be done without killing 100k+ people and probably 200k or 300k+. Your conditions leave no possible solution.There are things Israel could have done that involved violence that were not going to kill a massive number of innocents and targeted some Hamas leadership. That's not what
Essentially the Israelis have not got an exit strategy and are not likely to come up with a good one, so that is a concern.
I question the credibility and character of someone who finds “quality laughs” and levity in any of this.
If you can't laugh when Vic pulls the old fart spray IDF chemical weapons strike, I dunno when you CAN laugh
I'm not going to respond to that other than to say I'm not responding to that, not because I think it's a good point, but because the conversation I think is counterproductive for the stop the killing side. It's another thing that's not about 40000+ dead people.
Almost as bad as pointing out antisemitism
If there are ever settlement negotiations between Palestinians and Israelis, what if Palestinians say "no, there has to be an entirely new Israeli government. We can't even negotiate with a government that has done this"?
The fact that you equate Israeli government and hamas is adorbs
Ben Carson supports Trump
The media is advancing a false narrative of ‘rising racusm’ by ignoring black Trump supporters
Did i do it right?
Ben Carson supports Trump
The media is advancing a false narrative of ‘rising racusm’ by ignoring black Trump supporters
Did i do it right?
Do you think that Black people were sometimes dismissed or their loyalty was questioned because they supported Trump? What do you think about that?
Ben Carson supports Trump
The media is advancing a false narrative of ‘rising racusm’ by ignoring black Trump supporters
Did i do it right?
I'm guessing you didn't actually read the article.
Do you think that Black people were sometimes dismissed or their loyalty was questioned because they supported Trump? What do you think about that?
I think you're moving the goalposts
There is antisemitism going on at college campuses. It's not all anti zionism
If you can't laugh when Vic pulls the old fart spray IDF chemical weapons strike, I dunno when you CAN laugh
You are seriously callous towards human suffering, with the chemical assault being the least of the evidence.
I think you're moving the goalposts
There is antisemitism going on at college campuses. It's not all anti zionism
I responded very directly to your post. I don't see how that could possibly be me who moved any goalpost.
Wildly overblown, as evidenced by all the seders being held at the encampments.
If only the Israeli military hadn't been killing so many people and destroying basically the entire infrastructure of what you characterize as an independent country.
