Israel/Palestine thread

If they can nail him on the starvation stuff, nail him. You'd get no complaints from me.

I just want to make sure this doesn't get lost to the world in there:

Khan will undoubtedly also charge senior Hamas officials in the military chain of command, as he should. The killing and abduction of Israeli civilians on 7 October are clear war crimes.

Might also apply to latex.

Absolutely. If this gathers steam I dont think it will stay restricted to starvation or a few leaders. israel have put large numbers of t heir own citizens in jeopardy for decades to come

(and I still have my 'one-time' running on blair being prosecuted)

https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-sev...

Report: Several nations urging ICC not to issue arrest warrants for Israelis

Bloomberg says US and allies fear potential dramatic move will risk truce deal and hostage release; Hamas leaders may also be targeted with warrants.
The report said G7 nations had begun a quiet campaign to dissuade the court from issuing the warrants, without specifying which countries were involved in the effort.

Wonder if it's all the G7...

Chez, stfu, you dumb monkey

Think we're to negotiate with Islamist barbarians for fear of the next generation of cave dwelling primates

--I think it is safe to say that this generation of "revolutionaries" will not be spearheading any "infintada, revolution" anytime soon.

I will say that west Los Angeles, unlike the East coast, has a lot of diaspora Iranian and Arab Jews. And it is a very different culture than the progressive Ashekanzi East Coast Jews. A lot less facemasks and a lot more Israel flags and Stars of David (and now bananas apparently).

Take that Mickey Mouse take, and shove it straight up your ace

There's no doubt the political pressure from west will be huge. Last thing the ICC is expected to do is prosecute any of our lot. Who knows where it would stop.

Maybe worth noting that even the usa isn't saying it shouldn't happen because it isn't valid. I woudl agree it would be far better to prosecute afterwards as a long as afterwards is soon. It also has value if it pressures israel to behave.

It seems the ICC has pretty much limited itself towards charging random African militia leaders and Russians.

In a world where leaders like the Ayatollahs, Erdogan, Assad and Kim have been doing their thing for decades with no complaint from the ICC, it seems awful political on their part to decide to step outside their self imposed boundaries now.

In addition to the banana videos, there is also a video of student with a Star of David necklace trying to walk down the sidewalk at UCLA and being blocked by protestors, with campus security just watching. I am sure he could have chosen a different way to get to wherever he was going, but Rosa Parks could have just sat in the back of the bus too. I am not a lawyer, but this seems incidents like this could open UCLA up to some Civil Rights lawsuits.

And needless to say if this was a black/gay/Muslim/etc. students being blocked from walking down a sidewalk in their own school by a "right wing" group because of their identity (even if the goal was to elicit such a response), blue cities would literally be burning in response and the entire establishment (including Biden) would be decrying and vilifying the group.

Its not an independent body, though. Its very much an enforcement arm of Western interests.

Since the US sets the standard and Israel is off-limits from intervention, they can do basically whatever they want and absolutely nothing will be done.

This isn't new, its just particularly hard to sweep under the right, right now, given the magnitude of what they're actually doing.

I'm with you. We need to build international institutions that deal with everything on merit.

It's not just the magnitude. It's the blatancy as well.

Karim Khan looks super qualified. I was looking at the branch of Islam he's a part of. Based on his resume he seems like he may be the man for the job. But having a Muslim run this in this moment in history....was probably a good spot for the ICC to maybe pick someone else for the task (just for optics). My 2 cents. Like for example, imagine he was JEWISH.

you realize your hypo would certainly apply to several posters in this thread in the opposite direction? or do you not consider those lives in gaza worthwhile?

lmao. The verdict and punishment would already be handed down in the advanced Muslim societies

Post-truth zombies, take the night off, or speak to the gains for women's rights in Iraq - wife-swapping being outlawed

my hypo would work on victor (which in a normal country allied with Israel would be under arrest yes, as a traitor being allied with enemies of an allied country) , not sure if it would apply to anyone else.

it's very simple. At war you don't get to choose. you are either with us in full, no ifs or buts, the enemy Never Enters you moral calculs, or you are the enemy. and it applies to enemies of our allies as well.

lives of civilians victims of enemy monsters are worthwhile. bit not in the sense of sparing them if that costs you the victory against the enemy which is the *only* moral IMPERATIVE if it doesn't cost your own blood.

so give me a plan to fully eradicate Hamas with 100% probability, among them we choose the plan which kills less civilians.

but full eradication of Hamas, no if or buts, is the imperative at any palestinian civilian cost.

we need to drop this horrifical monstrosity, this moral facade in which we pretend to give a **** what inferior countries think at all.

any country which isn't fully civilized , shouldn't have a say about anything that matters to us.

you want a system where human rights are chaired by Saudi Arabia? I want that monstrosity destroyed with the infamy it deserves as a moral mistake of huge magnitude.

so it's not just antiviolence. pretty generous use of "us" in this post. to my knowledge you aren't american like victor or myself, and none of us are israeli. so is the "us" simply white vs brown? or everyone against Muslims? i'm struggling to figure out what part of "us" we would share.

? I am Italian and we do have pro Hamas protesters here.

actually more than in the USA. here it isn't confined to kids who never worked a hour of their lives paid by family/free loans to bullshit around. it's normal working leftist people as well.

each and everyone of them an enemy of the west who should never have any space in the civil life of the country again forever.

we share being citizens of western countries who share (through NATO but not exclusively) enemies. and everyone who in any way is on the side of our enemies should be purged from our societies.

very basically you have absolutely no right to exist in a country if you don't take the side of that country (and all it's allies) in every war, it's a very basic idea.

A very basic idea for Hitler, Mao and Stalin.

Choose Islam

and Lincoln

outside of providing direct aid to an "enemy", which that sign you want punished certainly was not. the idea that you should have to "take the side of that country" sounds like an absolute dystopian place.

i'm still not sure who the us vs them is though. is the them just the regular suspects with the totally hypocritical exceptions for places with money and oil like saudi, the UAE, and Qatar, etc.? is the "us" just the west? is India "us"? how about japan?

What? You mean the Civil War? No one was charged with Treason for saying things. The ONLY indictments for Treason in the Civil War were Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee and only Davis went to jail and only for 2 years.

Of course Lincoln would not be talking about jail for Victor. You are in the Hitler, Mao and Stalin totalitarian camp and definitely not Lincoln's.