Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Do stink bombs count? I'm good to start those soon
In different protests both sides have been hit with some smelly substance. I guess they are stink bombs from one side and chemical weapons from the other and which is which just depends on who you ask.
Mets, Rafiki:
I think this is a fair summary of your position: antisemitism and Hamas support in the encampments is so well proven, so obvious, that it needs little comment.
But there has been next to no evidence at all in this thread.
I say antisemitism and Hamas support among the protesters is vanishingly rare.
The basics have not been proven.
Have you got even one data point?
unfortunately, given the situation both of those things are simply self evident. antisemitism now means anti-Israeli apartheid and genocide.
and pro-ceasefire now means pro-Hamas as Hamas is the group that wants a ceasefire while Israel wants to continue the killing and occupation of Gaza. in this way, pro-ceasefire is also antisemitic.
I'm skeptical that protestors want the hostages to remain in captivity. Would like to see proof.
But I'll agree that not wanting the hostages released is callous disregard and might be motivated by antisemitism.
Resisting a brutal military occupation is a right granted to all occupied peoples and is not antisemitic. Ukraine, yo.
I'm skeptical that protestors want the hostages to remain in captivity. Would like to see proof.
But I'll agree that not wanting the hostages released is callous disregard and might be motivated by antisemitism.
Resisting a brutal military occupation is a right granted to all occupied peoples and is not antisemitic. Ukraine, yo.
Have you heard release the hostages in any interview?
I'm not commenting on whether that's *my* position or not or whether it's strategically good or not or whatever, but that statement is utterly ridiculous. It's like it's not a real thought and the literal meaning of the sentence is irrelevant but it's just code for pledging allegiance. And, it's like a thing people say, right? Like message discipline or something? It's culty.
I'm not commenting on whether that's *my* position or not or whether it's strategically good or not or whatever, but that statement is utterly ridiculous. It's like it's not a real thought and the literal meaning of the sentence is irrelevant but it's just code for pledging allegiance. And, it's like a thing people say, right? Like message discipline or something? It's cult
If you are in favor of an immediate ceasefire without the release of hostages, that means you hate Jewish People.
If you are in favor of an immediate ceasefire without the release of hostages, that means you hate Jewish People.
Again, this reads like it comes from a press release from Mao during the Cultural Revolution. It's something absurd and stated so confidently you imagine the confidence imparts credibility.
President Biden broke 10 days of silence about pro-terror anarchy on college campuses Thursday, saying the US is not a “lawless country” and “order must prevail” while acknowledging the right to peaceful demonstrations — and rejecting calls to bring out the National Guard.
Biden, 81, spoke for three-and-a-half minutes in the White House Roosevelt Room after taking sustained criticism for his lack of public comments as chaos raged across the country.
“It is against the law when violence occurs. Destroying property is not a peaceful protest, it’s against the law. Vandalism, trespassing, breaking windows, shutting down campuses, forcing the cancellation of classes and graduations, none of this is a peaceful protest,” the president said.”Threatening people, intimidating people, instilling fear in people is not peaceful protest, it is against the law.”
Biden answered “no” when asked if the protests had swayed his fundamental position in support of Israel’s invasion of the Gaza Strip to destroy the Hamas terror group and said “no” again when asked if he supported sending the Guard to unruly schools.
Biden, often dubbed “Genocide Joe” by protesters, had been conspicuously absent from the discourse amid nationwide mayhem this week, as students at Columbia University briefly seized the school’s Hamilton Hall before being cleared out by the NYPD Tuesday night, and as pro- and anti-Israel activists brawled at UCLA late Wednesday.
In his most recent remarks, on April 22, Biden sparked a backlash by appearing to try to take both sides the issue despite documented instances of antisemitism among Columbia protesters.
I'll remember this the next time I read that for a black person victim of some violence from groups that hate blacks.
Black people are visually identifiable in a way that Jewish people often aren't.
Micro
Would you go to a protest demanded the release of hostages? Try to answer honestly
I'm not a joiner so, like I went to look at the protest at UCLA. I didn't chant or agree to the pledge of allegiance they wanted for people to go inside the encampment or anything. So, I'm not really joining any protest. I don't let other people or their signs speak for me very readily and there's no side in any protest here that I agree with enough to abandon my own pov and join. So, in that sense, no. (I know this is like getting complicated and nuanced and you're just going to skim it and say something ridiculous, but I'm going to carry on anyway I guess just to read myself type). But would I go to it literally? Yes, absolutely. If all anyone there did was say "release the hostages" and I didn't think they were also saying "continue bombing", I would do that too. I'm not at all afraid to say "RELEASE THE HOSTAGES".
Again, this reads like it comes from a press release from Mao during the Cultural Revolution. It's something absurd and stated so confidently you imagine the confidence imparts credibility.
I don't give a flying intercourse what it sounds like
It's the truth
No person can say "israel should stop the war regardless of the hostages" unless they hate Jews
I don't give a flying intercourse what it sounds like
It's the truth
No person can say "israel should stop the war regardless of the hostages" unless they hate Jews
Yeah, it's just absurdly wrong. Like is it even possible that one person inside Gaza can not hate Jews? Surely they want the war to stop.
You're not rational. You say "It's the truth" like saying that makes it true. You're saying things that are obviously not true. It's just logically obvious that the things you say are not necessarily true and it's essentially impossible that they are.
Nearly half of the protesters arrested at the Columbia University and City College campuses during violent anti-Israel unrest weren’t students, police sources said Thursday — a day after Mayor Eric Adams warned that “outside agitators” were radicalizing youngsters.
Of the 282 protesters cuffed and hauled away during a massive NYPD operation late Tuesday, 134 of them had zero affiliation with either school, according to law enforcement sources.
I'm not a joiner so, like I went to look at the protest at UCLA. I didn't chant or agree to the pledge of allegiance they wanted for people to go inside the encampment or anything. So, I'm not really joining any protest. I don't let other people or their signs speak for me very readily and there's no side in any protest here that I agree with enough to abandon my own pov and
Lol at them asking people to make a pledge like it's a treehouse club and they are 8 years old.
Lol at them asking people to make a pledge like it's a treehouse club and they are 8 years old.
You cant come in this building unless you pledge to hate Israel!!
Micro: that's good
his isnt even Hamas's position. Ive cited numerous sources from Israeli media that definitively show this.
so you want them to give up all the hostages so Israel can continue to murder a child every 10minutes? its your position that is actually insane.
Lol at them asking people to make a pledge like it's a treehouse club and they are 8 years old.
From my perspective (old) they aren't that much past 8. Yeah, there is plenty of silly kids stuff that goes on. But then adults seem to demand pledges as well.
And, when I say pledge, I'm taking a bit of poetic license like I do when I say mets is asking for a pledge. They just asked you to agree not to fight or take pictures of people's faces without permission from what I saw. (there were other rules - like don't **** in the tents or do drugs or bring in peanuts - it was just to agree to their rules). I don't know if there was a No Zionist clause, but they were not looking for opposition to be inside the barricaded area.
You cant come in this building unless you pledge to hate Israel!!
Micro: that's good
You wanted me to be nice, but then you just keep lying about me. I never said any particular rule was good or not and I think blocking buildings is different than what I saw, which was just a little grassy field between buildings.
Try not being such an illiterate liar if you want me to be nicer.
